Ace

Amen. That also shows quite a bit in Right In Two.
Subtelty has always been a strong point with them, and that combined with cleverness, are some main reasons why I like the band.

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sleepy jack

Why should I state in my opinion? The lyrics are cliche, fact, monkey being used as a metaphor for man has been overdone the most recent example of this I can think of is "It's a Hit" by Rilo Kiley. Something being done a lot throughout lyrical history = cliche. That's not subjective, I stated my opinion intelligently and backed it up. Since it's my post it's implied it's my opinion.

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Well then, I'm glad that's settled. I would normally agree on the monkey matter being cliche, but the message they convey and the way that they wrote it, seems good to me. I have yet to hear another band compare man's warlike nature, to what happened in Eden. I'm not being biased because I'm a fan, I'm just acknowledging the overall song as a whole. Everyone has different opinions, and if we didn't, it would make discussions quite dull.

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sleepy jack

Bob Dylan did it decades ago and they only lightly touch on Eden in that song.

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Who lightly touches? And I haven't really heard much of Dylan. Even so, writing on Eden isn't copyrighted or anything. Kinda like Springsteen and his plethora of car songs, along with every other band having atleast one song about being in a car. Topics are going to get old, bands just have to be creative with it.

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tkpb938

It isnt implied that it is your opinion just because its a post on a message board. Thats like saying my opinion is implied just because I said something. Its irrelevant whether your typing it or saying it, or whatever.

Also, something being cliche isn't neccessarily a fact either. For instance, one might think that "break up", emo, songs are cliche however someone who's going through a breakup may not.

sleepy jack

It talks about Eden in the first verse, that is all. I never said it was copyrighted, you said no artist had done it before. That is incorrect and I corrected you.

I said it, it's implied it's my opinion.

Not true, cliche has a set definition when something meets that definition it's cliche.

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I didn't say no artist had done it before....I just said I have yet to hear it.
Therefore, it is not a common subject, and it makes the song stand out.
It also helps keep the song from being cliche, since I haven't heard Eden mentioned a great deal at all.

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tkpb938

Meaningful also has a set definition. Yet it is subjective.

sleepy jack

Still doesn't make it original.

Meaningful and cliche are different words. Something being cliche isn't subjective. Being cliche means a popular metaphor, image, idea etc, comparing men to monkeys is a popular image, thus it's cliche.

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