Tool - 10,000 Days (lyrics, metal, mp3, single, albums)

Ace · 12-17-2007, 11:28 PM

It's called "End of Eden" and non published, but like I said, you can always come down here and talk to the guy who wrote it. Our band leader writes alot of the music for the church itself, and most of the lyrics. He has written a song and sermon on Eden, and how man's warlike nature has continued to increase ever since. How such trivial arguments end up starting full fledged wars. Let's see...common themes to emo music. Suicide. I could probably find a bunch of bands in the emo genre who write about suicide, and call their songs cliche. You'd probably jump all over my ass in defense, or whoever would happen to like the band in question.
Now seriously. Are you ****ing done yet? =)) Worse than arguing with a decrepid old man. I can't keep this up all night, Ethan.
You can't allllways be right or have the final say, so give it up for both of us.

**sleepy jack** · 12-17-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace

It's called "End of Eden" and non published, but like I said, you can always come down here and talk to the guy who wrote it. Our band leader writes alot of the music for the church itself, and most of the lyrics. He has written a song and sermon on Eden, and how man's warlike nature has continued to increase ever since. How such trivial arguments end up starting full fledged wars.

Um, you realize Bob Dylan wrote Gates of Eden in the 60s right? So unless this guy is really really old, like in his late 60s or 70s he didn't write before Dylan did.

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Originally Posted by Ace

Let's see...common themes to emo music. Suicide. I could probably find a bunch of bands in the emo genre who write about suicide, and call their songs cliche. You'd probably jump all over my ass in defense, or whoever would happen to like the band in question.

I doubt you could even name any emo bands.

Ace · 12-17-2007, 11:39 PM

Bright Eyes isn't emo?
Hawthorne Heights?
Panic! At The Disco (in my eyes, anyway)
And the guy is in his 50's, and he hasn't listened to Dylan a day in his life =))
I seriously doubt he has, anyway, and he damn sure wouldn't copy from him.
Even so, that is still saying Dylan is the first person to EVER write a song using Eden as a metaphor. I know for a fact there were plenty written thousands of years ago, so start watching the History channel, or go enroll in some kind of Ancient Arts class or something. I can't sit here and cite public articles and show you, and you can't prove to me Dylan was the first man on earth to do it. You're basically telling me that Bob Dylan was the first person to ever write a song using Eden as a metaphor at the moment, and you and I both know that's not true. I hope you do, anyway.
Are you done with this discussion now?
And if not, for ****s sake why the hell not?

Wayfarer · 12-17-2007, 11:41 PM

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Ace · 12-17-2007, 11:45 PM

**sleepy jack** · 12-17-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace

Bright Eyes isn't emo?
Hawthorne Heights?
Panic! At The Disco (in my eyes, anyway)

None of those bands are even close to emo.

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And the guy is in his 50's, and he hasn't listened to Dylan a day in his life =))
I seriously doubt he has, anyway, and he damn sure wouldn't copy from him.

So Dylan wrote it before him, your one actual thing of proof doesn't prove a thing.

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Even so, that is still saying Dylan is the first person to EVER write a song using Eden as a metaphor. I know for a fact there were plenty written thousands of years ago, so start watching the History channel, or go enroll in some kind of Ancient Arts class or something. I can't sit here and cite public articles and show you, and you can't prove to me Dylan was the first man on earth to do it. You're basically telling me that Bob Dylan was the first person to ever write a song using Eden as a metaphor at the moment, and you and I both know that's not true. I hope you do, anyway.

See I really don't believe you, BECAUSE you've yet to state anything substantial and you keep going off on things that aren't relevant to the discussion showing you don't have a strong argument. Even if Bob Dylan isn't the first to use it, that still proves Maynard isn't the first because Bob Dylan did it and apparently so did other plenty of people thousands of years ago.

The song idea isn't original and it's pretty funny seeing as you stated you'd never heard anyone use eden as a metaphor before and now you're going on about all the different people who have used it as a metaphor. You've proven yourself wrong, you've proven Maynard's song isn't original yourself and I've already proven it's cliche. I don't know about you but I don't consider unoriginal and cliche to equal good lyrics.

Ace · 12-17-2007, 11:58 PM

I have never heard a band use it as a metaphor until Tool. I never once said in any post that Tool was original for using Eden in the song. I never said they were the FIRST to do it. I said, "I HAVE YET TO HEAR A BAND USE EDEN." Not once did I claim them the original users of Eden, and I even said that ages ago. I said it wasn't cliche. You're the one that nitpicked like a child, and changed the subject and said, "well that doesn't make em original!" Well, newsflash for you kid, it doesn't make Dylan original either, because it was done plenty of damn times before him. So now that you've danced around providing me proof that Dylan is absolutely the first person to do it, will you quit proving yourself to be like a damn 2 year old, and drop this ****ing subject? It's like you would argue with a damn brick wall if you could. Do you have nothing better to do then sit on musicbanter all day long, and try your best to find random **** to have the last say in every subject? Drop it while you can bungalowbill. I'm done.

Edit: And so I don't get some smartass reply about it, "End of Eden" was written early July of 2007.
Therefore Tool was the first band I've ever heard to use it as a metaphor.
I haven't listened to much of Dylan, and don't intend to any time soon.
Alllllll off topic. The song, Right In Two, is not cliche. I don't see an assload of music about Eden floating around on the internet or radio, anywhere. So good arguing to you Ethan, but I've made my points. If you want to argue with yourself though, keep postin'.

**sleepy jack** · 12-18-2007, 12:01 AM

You're rehashing your disproven points now and throwing out petty insults. I'm obviously the two year old here. You say I need to learn to admit when I'm wrong? You're clearly tripping on your own words here. You do realize I've never heard it used this way before Tool is essentially saying it's original right? I was the one who said it was cliche and I backed it up, you never disproved it in fact you added to it with the authors comment. The song is unoriginal (as you proved) and cliche (as you helped prove). I will restate my original point since both things have been proven established. The song is cliche and unoriginal, those don't make for good lyrics and lyrics, especially bad ones can't be the saving grace for a song.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN · 12-18-2007, 12:06 AM

wowee, prog fans sure take being wrong hard

Ace · 12-18-2007, 12:14 AM

Your own poetry can be considered cliche, then. How many poems have you posted about some kind of "lover being hurt"? I proved it wasn't cliche, and just because the lyrics don't appeal to you, it doesn't make your opinion a fact. But that's alright. I'm done with this argument, but I am not done with you. We can continue this in pm if you want, but before the end of the week, we will anyway.
Goodnight, Ethan.

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12-17-2007, 11:28 PM
Ace Negative Creep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 623	It's called "End of Eden" and non published, but like I said, you can always come down here and talk to the guy who wrote it. Our band leader writes alot of the music for the church itself, and most of the lyrics. He has written a song and sermon on Eden, and how man's warlike nature has continued to increase ever since. How such trivial arguments end up starting full fledged wars. Let's see...common themes to emo music. Suicide. I could probably find a bunch of bands in the emo genre who write about suicide, and call their songs cliche. You'd probably jump all over my ass in defense, or whoever would happen to like the band in question. Now seriously. Are you **ing done yet? =)) Worse than arguing with a decrepid old man. I can't keep this up all night, Ethan. You can't allllways be right or have the final say, so give it up for both of us. __________________ She said if time was in a bottle High up on her shelf She would knock it over And make the world stand still If faith was in her left hand And love was in her right She'd put them both together And raise them to the sky http://myspace.com/euphoric_resolve**

12-17-2007, 11:39 PM
Ace Negative Creep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 623	Bright Eyes isn't emo? Hawthorne Heights? Panic! At The Disco (in my eyes, anyway) And the guy is in his 50's, and he hasn't listened to Dylan a day in his life =)) I seriously doubt he has, anyway, and he damn sure wouldn't copy from him. Even so, that is still saying Dylan is the first person to EVER write a song using Eden as a metaphor. I know for a fact there were plenty written thousands of years ago, so start watching the History channel, or go enroll in some kind of Ancient Arts class or something. I can't sit here and cite public articles and show you, and you can't prove to me Dylan was the first man on earth to do it. You're basically telling me that Bob Dylan was the first person to ever write a song using Eden as a metaphor at the moment, and you and I both know that's not true. I hope you do, anyway. Are you done with this discussion now? And if not, for **s sake why the hell not? __________________ She said if time was in a bottle High up on her shelf She would knock it over And make the world stand still If faith was in her left hand And love was in her right She'd put them both together And raise them to the sky http://myspace.com/euphoric_resolve**

12-17-2007, 11:41 PM
Wayfarer Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,188	I WANT CHICKEN I WANT LIVER MEOW MIX MEOW MIX PLEASE DELIVER __________________ The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.

12-17-2007, 11:45 PM
Ace Negative Creep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 623	__________________ She said if time was in a bottle High up on her shelf She would knock it over And make the world stand still If faith was in her left hand And love was in her right She'd put them both together And raise them to the sky http://myspace.com/euphoric_resolve

12-17-2007, 11:58 PM
Ace Negative Creep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 623	I have never heard a band use it as a metaphor until Tool. I never once said in any post that Tool was original for using Eden in the song. I never said they were the FIRST to do it. I said, "I HAVE YET TO HEAR A BAND USE EDEN." Not once did I claim them the original users of Eden, and I even said that ages ago. I said it wasn't cliche. You're the one that nitpicked like a child, and changed the subject and said, "well that doesn't make em original!" Well, newsflash for you kid, it doesn't make Dylan original either, because it was done plenty of damn times before him. So now that you've danced around providing me proof that Dylan is absolutely the first person to do it, will you quit proving yourself to be like a damn 2 year old, and drop this **ing subject? It's like you would argue with a damn brick wall if you could. Do you have nothing better to do then sit on musicbanter all day long, and try your best to find random to have the last say in every subject? Drop it while you can bungalowbill. I'm done. Edit: And so I don't get some smartass reply about it, "End of Eden" was written early July of 2007. Therefore Tool was the first band I've ever heard to use it as a metaphor. I haven't listened to much of Dylan, and don't intend to any time soon. Alllllll off topic. The song, Right In Two, is not cliche. I don't see an assload of music about Eden floating around on the internet or radio, anywhere. So good arguing to you Ethan, but I've made my points. If you want to argue with yourself though, keep postin'. __________________ She said if time was in a bottle High up on her shelf She would knock it over And make the world stand still If faith was in her left hand And love was in her right She'd put them both together And raise them to the sky http://myspace.com/euphoric_resolve** Last edited by Ace : 12-18-2007 at 12:04 AM.

12-18-2007, 12:01 AM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,373	You're rehashing your disproven points now and throwing out petty insults. I'm obviously the two year old here. You say I need to learn to admit when I'm wrong? You're clearly tripping on your own words here. You do realize I've never heard it used this way before Tool is essentially saying it's original right? I was the one who said it was cliche and I backed it up, you never disproved it in fact you added to it with the authors comment. The song is unoriginal (as you proved) and cliche (as you helped prove). I will restate my original point since both things have been proven established. The song is cliche and unoriginal, those don't make for good lyrics and lyrics, especially bad ones can't be the saving grace for a song. __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

12-18-2007, 12:14 AM
Ace Negative Creep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 623	Your own poetry can be considered cliche, then. How many poems have you posted about some kind of "lover being hurt"? I proved it wasn't cliche, and just because the lyrics don't appeal to you, it doesn't make your opinion a fact. But that's alright. I'm done with this argument, but I am not done with you. We can continue this in pm if you want, but before the end of the week, we will anyway. Goodnight, Ethan. __________________ She said if time was in a bottle High up on her shelf She would knock it over And make the world stand still If faith was in her left hand And love was in her right She'd put them both together And raise them to the sky http://myspace.com/euphoric_resolve