Phil Ochs (lyrics, singer, genre, tunes, myspace)

**sleepy jack** · 06-22-2007, 06:25 PM

Phil Ochs is similar to Seeger, Guthrie, Dylan and all that, though most similar to Guthrie and Seeger. Vocally hes most like Seeger music wise Guthrie. I think I may like him best because I like his lyrics best and hes more consistent with good lyrics than Dylan is. "It's always the old to lead us to the war it's always the young to fall now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun tell me is it worth it all?"

He was a protest singer but preferred to be called a topical singer. He usually played at political events, his best known songs were "Power and the Glory", "Draft Dodger Rag", "There But for Fortune", "Changes", "Crucifixion, "When I'm Gone", "Love Me I'm a Liberal", "Links on the Chain", "Ringing of Revolution", "Outside of a Small Circle of Friends", and "I Ain't Marching Anymore". Towards the end of his life he developed various problems and eventually killed himself in 76. This was just a kind of quick summary, read more here.

Recommendations:
The Highway Man
Here's To The State Of Richard Nixon
Love Me, I'm a Liberal
Power and Glory

MySpace.com - Phil Ochs - New York, New York - Folk - www.myspace.com/loveliberals

swim · 06-30-2007, 10:41 AM

horribly boring besides the fact that he has horrible character and was so upset that he wasn't as big as Dylan. I hate Phil Ochs.

SEF · 07-20-2007, 05:28 PM

I'm loving his voice and lyrics but the music itself is not that interesting.

Larkrise · 07-20-2007, 05:34 PM

Whoever says Phil Ochs is boring, I'm gonna strap headphones on your ass and force you to listen to the lyrics. They are simple, yes, but he puts so much meaning into them.

SEF · 07-20-2007, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larkrise

Whoever says Phil Ochs is boring, I'm gonna strap headphones on your ass and force you to listen to the lyrics. They are simple, yes, but he puts so much meaning into them.

His lyrics are meaningful but lyrics and music are somewhat separated, good music without decent lyrics is crap and great lyrics with no music is nothing. The music behinds his lyrics is okay but my point is that the music is not to be ignored.

Music Man · 07-30-2007, 01:50 AM

I never was very impressed by Och's music--tunes or lyrics. IMHO, there were a number of folk artists who were better, in both the traditional and protest sub-genres of folk music.

MissouriPicker · 08-05-2007, 07:04 PM

I've never thought of Phil Och as a big name in folk music. He hung around with Dylan and Peter, Paul & Mary, Judy Collins and others, but he never approached their magnitude as a star. He wrote some good songs that other people made big hits out of. Of couse, Townes Van Zandt was known more as a writer than a singer and others had big hits with his songs. I think Och was a talented guy. Certainly more talented than myself...lol...but never of the calibre of Bob Dylan, Barry McGuire, and many others.......Just my view of it. Doesn't necessarily make me right and someone else wrong.

Music Man · 08-06-2007, 02:37 AM

I pretty much agree with Mizzou's assessment of Ochs--he was never really one of the big names in folk music. Most of his hardcore fans are people who are pretty much in agreement with his political and social views.

**sleepy jack** · 12-01-2007, 10:12 PM

Folk Singer for the FBI: The Phil Ochs FBI File by Eric Blair (Book) in History

This is why I love Phil Ochs.

TheBig3KilledMyRainDog · 12-02-2007, 07:10 AM

so why?

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06-22-2007, 06:25 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,244	Phil Ochs Phil Ochs is similar to Seeger, Guthrie, Dylan and all that, though most similar to Guthrie and Seeger. Vocally hes most like Seeger music wise Guthrie. I think I may like him best because I like his lyrics best and hes more consistent with good lyrics than Dylan is. "It's always the old to lead us to the war it's always the young to fall now look at all we've won with the sabre and the gun tell me is it worth it all?" He was a protest singer but preferred to be called a topical singer. He usually played at political events, his best known songs were "Power and the Glory", "Draft Dodger Rag", "There But for Fortune", "Changes", "Crucifixion, "When I'm Gone", "Love Me I'm a Liberal", "Links on the Chain", "Ringing of Revolution", "Outside of a Small Circle of Friends", and "I Ain't Marching Anymore". Towards the end of his life he developed various problems and eventually killed himself in 76. This was just a kind of quick summary, read more here. Recommendations: The Highway Man Here's To The State Of Richard Nixon Love Me, I'm a Liberal Power and Glory MySpace.com - Phil Ochs - New York, New York - Folk - www.myspace.com/loveliberals __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

06-30-2007, 10:41 AM
swim Everyone Does Everything. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: coastal plain North Carolina Posts: 4,396	horribly boring besides the fact that he has horrible character and was so upset that he wasn't as big as Dylan. I hate Phil Ochs. __________________ you should be ashamed to be so proud of what you got http://www.mediafire.com/?ryxhwjmb1y9 http://www.mediafire.com/?g4wzjzjz1gu

07-20-2007, 05:28 PM
SEF Music Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Washington Posts: 61	I'm loving his voice and lyrics but the music itself is not that interesting.

07-20-2007, 05:34 PM
Larkrise Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 61	Whoever says Phil Ochs is boring, I'm gonna strap headphones on your ass and force you to listen to the lyrics. They are simple, yes, but he puts so much meaning into them. __________________ I am all woman!

07-30-2007, 01:50 AM
Music Man Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 213	I never was very impressed by Och's music--tunes or lyrics. IMHO, there were a number of folk artists who were better, in both the traditional and protest sub-genres of folk music. __________________ "Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment." --Rob Halford of Judas Priest

08-05-2007, 07:04 PM
MissouriPicker Groupie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Independence, Missouri Posts: 5	I've never thought of Phil Och as a big name in folk music. He hung around with Dylan and Peter, Paul & Mary, Judy Collins and others, but he never approached their magnitude as a star. He wrote some good songs that other people made big hits out of. Of couse, Townes Van Zandt was known more as a writer than a singer and others had big hits with his songs. I think Och was a talented guy. Certainly more talented than myself...lol...but never of the calibre of Bob Dylan, Barry McGuire, and many others.......Just my view of it. Doesn't necessarily make me right and someone else wrong. __________________ Songpull Videos http://www.songpull.com/performance/view_video/481 http://www.songpull.com/performance/view_video/482 http://www.songpull.com/performance/view_video/376 http://www.songpull.com/performance/view_video/322 http://songpull.com/performance/view_video/362 UTUBE Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNKFVQ7YP9Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgLiK...elated&search=

08-06-2007, 02:37 AM
Music Man Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 213	I pretty much agree with Mizzou's assessment of Ochs--he was never really one of the big names in folk music. Most of his hardcore fans are people who are pretty much in agreement with his political and social views. __________________ "Paranoid is just like an anchor. It really secures everything about the metal movement in one record. It's all there: the riffs, the vocal performance of Ozzy, the song titles, what the lyrics are about. It's just a classic defining moment." --Rob Halford of Judas Priest

12-01-2007, 10:12 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,244	Folk Singer for the FBI: The Phil Ochs FBI File by Eric Blair (Book) in History This is why I love Phil Ochs. __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

12-02-2007, 07:10 AM
TheBig3KilledMyRainDog Maybe I can keep this one Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bostonia Posts: 3,830	so why? __________________ “The night falls gracefully for those who have a love to call their own. But alas, for those to whom love has turned a blind eye – love, it falls like a guillotine” “No more waiting for fate to befall me, no. I have my dreamboat, and together we will find our destiny, choose our ladder to the sky” - Markus Pierson