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Old 05-28-2017, 05:42 PM   #5911 (permalink)
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This is a complete misrepresentation of his point.
Of course, I understand that. But his point is so irrelevant to my lack of funds that I feel justified redirecting it so it makes some ****ing sense.
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Old 05-28-2017, 05:56 PM   #5912 (permalink)
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If he said certain people would have a better chance of climbing out of poverty if they had a reason to hope and that's why we're committed to educational opportunities and job training programs that would show a sensitivity to what it means to be impoverished. But when he says bluntly, even in part it's a state of mind if you're poor, well, you know that you can't just think money into existence. One has to be very charitable with his words to find a reasonable interpretation of what he's saying. Poverty is literally a lack of money/wealth. There's no way around that reality when you're poor. Also, considering his history of saying stupid things and the administration he's now a part of there's very reason to give him any benefit of the doubt.
He kind of addressed this.. Did you even read the article?

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"I think the majority of people don't have that defeatist attitude, but they sometimes just don't see the way, and that's where government can come in and be very helpful," he added. "It can provide the ladder of opportunity, it can provide the mechanism that will demonstrate to them what can be done."
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Of course, I understand that. But his point is so irrelevant to my lack of funds that I feel justified redirecting it so it makes some ****ing sense.
You've already demonstrated your completely piss poor attitude and work ethic sooo yeah. You don't want to call his point about mindstates relevant because then you might actually have to improve yours and try in life.
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Old 05-28-2017, 06:27 PM   #5913 (permalink)
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Honestly, just look at Chula. The guy has been beaten and dragged through the mud, and he's reaching out to us for help, trying to get his own business going for some extra income, and relying on the government for assistance. He's not just giving up.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:13 PM   #5914 (permalink)
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Yes. His story is deeply inspirational.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:20 PM   #5915 (permalink)
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:24 PM   #5916 (permalink)
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I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sh*t like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job.

Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect...

Point is. Don't f*cking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever.
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Old 05-28-2017, 11:44 PM   #5918 (permalink)
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I'm starting to get really tired of these public figures slapping an idealism onto something that is so case by case such as poverty. You can't say sh*t like that and not expect people to run with it and start looking down at poor people. That kind of statement breeds people who look at a homeless man and wonder why he doesn't have a job.

Lots of realities exist. That man could be mentally ill. He could be a substance abuser. He could be the laziest man ever. He could have lost his home in a fire, ect...ect...ect...

Point is. Don't f*cking throw a blanket of a statement like that publicly. It throws salt right in the face of people who are poor who really really try not to be but can't because of societal reasons. I'm not mad at Carson because he's SUPER WRONG. I'm mad because he is a completely tone deaf rich doctor with no tact or humbleness whatsoever.
This is a much better reason for why he's wrong to have said that than the others have presented, and I mostly agree, but I wonder what idealism are you talking about? I also don't think it's wrong for people to look at the homless and ask why? Whether it's condescending or out of sincere concern people recognizing the problem is important.. It's much better than people not even acknowledging their existence or just obliviously okay with that being a part of society.
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Old 05-29-2017, 12:03 AM   #5919 (permalink)
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This is a much better reason for why he's wrong to have said that than the others have presented, and I mostly agree, but I wonder what idealism are you talking about? I also don't think it's wrong for people to look at the homless and ask why? Whether it's condescending or out of sincere concern people recognizing the problem is important.. It's much better than people not even acknowledging their existence.
The idealism that poverty is sustained by a lack of effort. It's true for a lot of cases but not for all. People lose jobs. People make poor decisions in the housing market. When I inspected houses for a living, you wouldn't believe all the homes that were abandoned by literally upheaval. These people were so deep in the sh*tter that they literally left everything they owned and went who the hell knows where. It doesn't even have to be homelessness. There are a sh*t ton of families that survive by eating ramen every night while both parents work three jobs. It's so much more expensive to be poor than it is to be wealthy. Some families are barely able to keep their mouth above the water for air.

To highlight my point just for emphasis, I don't think Carson thinks that if you're poor you must not be trying hard enough. Maybe he meant it to be motivational. My point is that Ben Carson isn't the speaker of the poverty stricken. He's somebody that, for some reason, has serious value to his opinions and I think it's irresponsible to broadcast the slightest hint of an idea that people are poor because they don't have the right mindset.

Just tell people to donate when they can and perhaps volunteer once or twice a month at a homeless shelter and let the people who follow your word as gospel in some case make up their own damn minds as to why Jerry down the street is selling all of his things on his lawn every weekend.
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There are more homeless people in Ireland now than ever before. Why? In a single phrase; housing crash and bank crash. When people couldn't afford to keep up their mortgages, which had risen year on year with the banks, who had ****ed us all over, getting fatter and fatter, did these banks understand? **** no: hand back your keys. So many people who would never have dreamed they would be on the streets are now either there, or crammed into one hotel room with their entire family, trying to scrape by. That's not a mindset, that's not people being lazy or not having the right attitude. That's a heartless government and - for want of a better phrase - rich class who don't give a curse about the hardship they've caused through their greed, intend to do nothing about it and STILL smile their ads on the TV about how "we're backing doing" (huh?) - basically saying they're lending for mortgages if you want one. Interestingly, among all the flowers and singing, every single one of these ads now comes with a stark warning: FAILURE TO KEEP UP REPAYMENTS ON YOUR MORTGAGE CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF YOUR HOME, AND WILL AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO OBTAIN CREDIT IN THE FUTURE.

****ing ****s.

Also, there are more houses being built for private sale than for social housing by a factor of god knows how much, but it's big. Maybe 10 percent for social housing. So those stuck in a hotel room, or on the streets, or living on a friend's charity, can see all these new houses but it's like in Family Guy: NO! NOT FOR YOU!

Again, ****s.

I don't see where in any of this any particular mindset comes into it, and I too am disgusted with and ashamed of this guy for suggesting, from his no doubt mansion and grounds, with his massive salary and huge pension pot, that it might be. It doesn't matter that it's only suggested as one of many factors; like Exo says, it shouldn't be mentioned at all. It shows a heartless disregard for the real suffering poor people are going through, and coming from the mouth of one who probably never had anything other than a silver spoon in his, again, disgusting.

He should read Jack London's The People of the Abyss, then talk of mindsets.
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