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Old 10-12-2017, 02:09 PM   #7631 (permalink)
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I have never flung a poo.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:14 PM   #7632 (permalink)
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Well, If Al Gore is viewed as a crank by most people, that's a bit sad. But circumstances and people's opinions can change. If the effects of global warming continue to accumilate as predicted, if those effects impact on people's lives, then today's crank may be vindicated tomorrow. It's happened before, though off-hand the only historically uplifting example that comes to mind is Copernicus with all his heliocentric nonsense.
Yeah it is sad. Also true.

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In the same way that they say that every US bombing raid in the Middle East spawns another hundred terrorists, it may not be long before every hurricane victim is demanding action on rising sea levels, etc.
And yet the populace's reaction to drones and bombing has been so tepid that it has been allowed to continue for... well I can't even contemplate how long US bombings have been going on. Cause we're too stupid and apathetic to really, truly care.

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I'm sure there are plenty of stupid people in the world, but also there are many intelligent people. Your claim that "they are simply not capable of understanding events beyond the few square miles..." is something I would contest, especially in the age of the internet.
The internet age has not really increased our mental capacity or understanding of the world at this point (though I like to think that it will given enough time). Humankind is still a provincial race but now we're trying to apply our provincial understanding on a worldwide scale with no real training or expertise to speak of. Do you honestly think that your average human has any business solving the issues in the Middle East, North Korea, or the worldwide economic crisis? And yet we continue to try without any humility.

If our race would at least just admit that we don't know what we're talking about then I could at least develop some respect for our attempts to deal with all this ****. At least then we might try learning from our mistakes and not bulldoze past those insecurities for the sake of saving face.

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You also mention that we "were never designed to deal with any of this ****." The fact is that we are an evolutionary freak. We have a much bigger brain than any other animal, of a sophistication completely unjustified by the circumstances of our origin. I agree that we started out as apes, and we could've got by with a brain the size of a chimp. But we got a much bigger brain than necessary, and we've proved ourselves capable of doing a lot more than just flinging poo. As a species, our position throughout (pre-)history has always been at the cutting edge; no other species has confronted the kind of stuff we have. And no-one can be sure how we will react to the problem of GW, but to say in advance that we will fail reminds me a little of the attitude of some unintrepid people when first confronted with the possibility of the railway; "Human beings aren't designed to travel at that speed." Turned out that those nay-sayers got it wrong, and, nothing personal of course, but I rather hope you've got it wrong too.
Yes, compared to the rest of the world's species we are incredibly impressive with our mental prowess. Evolutionarily speaking we are an impossible marvel. But we're talking about issues like nuclear war, international capitalism, and race relations between an endless series of immigrants. Those are not issues that will be solved simply because we're smarter than bears. Do you understand world economics? Do you think anyone truly does? I imagine if we did then we would have predicted and prevented the Great Recession, or at least not have been completely blindsided by it. We are dealing with an endless morass of issues that have become so complex and intertwined that there is no conceivable way that the human brain can deal with them without technological assistance.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:27 PM   #7633 (permalink)
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:36 PM   #7634 (permalink)
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:52 PM   #7635 (permalink)
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A side too cowardly to truly stand by their convictions because they know it is not politically tenable to make it the overriding, #1 issue that it should be. And if people who legitimately believe in man made global warming are not willing to throw expediency to the wind in order to beat it into the heads of the populace that, yes, this is the thing we should all care about the most and everything else is background noise in comparison, then how ****ing stupid are they?
More ranting babble Bat, (although extremely well written and with solid prose). That's basically what you've been doing for the last 20 pages or so. Put forth something of of substance, or STFU and go take a shower. God knows you need one. MB agrees.
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:59 PM   #7636 (permalink)
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More ranting babble Bat, (although extremely well written and with solid prose). That's basically what you've been doing for the last 20 pages or so. Put forth something of of substance, or STFU and go take a shower. God knows you need one. MB agrees.
You can't disqualify an argument by calling it ranting. Yeah, I'm ranting, but I'm also putting forth ideas that I'd like to think warrant legitimate refutations rather than lazy nonsense from a fake-liberal with no convictions who could just as easily have been a lazy conservative (if for no other reason than that political apathy is so prevalent in our stupid race). I might not agree with Lisnaholic, and consider his ideas to be optimism for the sake of optimism, but at least he's saying things that I feel are worth replying to. You're just putting forth the most boring kind of non-arguments possible and hoping that you can win by ad hominem.

To everyone else: do you see why I think people are stupid?
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:07 PM   #7637 (permalink)
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In humanity's defense, Chula is clearly below average.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:08 PM   #7638 (permalink)
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In humanity's defense, Chula is clearly below average.
Unfortunately I don't think so. People in general can be perfectly intelligent as it pertains to living their life, working their job, raising their family, and in general all those things that people have been doing for thousands of years to exist in their own little worlds. It's when they start applying that provincial knowledge and experience on a wider stage that humanity's stupidity becomes obvious and relevant. I'd be totally down to hear Chula's opinions on mortgages, I just don't think he knows what he's talking about beyond that.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:13 PM   #7639 (permalink)
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"The adult sperm whale brain is 8,000 cubic centimeters. Our brain is about 1300 cubic centimeters."
Ah. So let's leave it up to whales to solve the problems of Global Warming. Assuming the Japanese stop killing them.
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Well, If Al Gore is viewed as a crank by most people, that's a bit sad. But circumstances and people's opinions can change. If the effects of global warming continue to accumilate as predicted, if those effects impact on people's lives, then today's crank may be vindicated tomorrow. It's happened before, though off-hand the only historically uplifting example that comes to mind is Copernicus with all his heliocentric nonsense.
Surely Galileo and Darwin figure in there too?
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I imagine if we did then we would have predicted and prevented the Great Recession, or at least not have been completely blindsided by it. We are dealing with an endless morass of issues that have become so complex and intertwined that there is no conceivable way that the human brain can deal with them without technological assistance.
The problem there is human greed. If anyone had been able to predict, with 100% accuracy, any of the Crashes, then or now, our reaction would have been "**** it! I'm not stopping making money. Maybe it won't happen"....
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More ranting babble Bat, (although extremely well written and with solid prose). That's basically what you've been doing for the last 20 pages or so. Put forth something of of substance, or STFU and go take a shower. God knows you need one. MB agrees.
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Old 10-12-2017, 03:13 PM   #7640 (permalink)
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I'm not sure I even understand what the argument is

humanity is doomed because of their biology?

I certainly disagree with that

humanity might be doomed because of capitalism
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