Muslim Women

anticipation · 04-24-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

well you should have kept quiet because you have nothing of importance to say.

Grow up. I called you out because you said something extremely idiotic, and because you haven't contributed anything of real value to this conversation. It astounds me that, even though you are merely someone who wanders into many conversations without having any frame of reference as a means of making yourself more popular, members here still tolerate you and your inane babbling.

Either start educating yourself about the things you discuss, or start following your own advice.

**Janszoon** · 04-24-2011, 05:35 PM

Lets ease up on the personal attacks folks.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-24-2011, 05:59 PM

Or you'll all be packing your baggs!

RVCA · 04-24-2011, 06:03 PM

buncha douche baggs

Liljagare · 04-25-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Why would you want to stay in a country that clearly doesn't respect your right to religion?

They aren't going to just change their decision. I think it's better to move to a country that will instead of being stubborn and staying somewhere like that but that's just my opinion.

The debate about moving out of one's country because someone did not respect a particular right of yours...ok I'll take the bait. The simple question would be why? Why should a particular group willingly leave due to a smite on their religious freedom even though (as in this case) both UN laws and even France's constitutional rights are against this? Where are these people supposed to go and who is to say it is not going to happen again as what is acceptable in one country might become acceptable in another just to keep "these people" out (with the standard "Well you know we are stepping it up against terrorism" rather than just admitting it for being anti-muslim intolerant behaviour). Because these same laws are being bounced around in Belgium, Holland, and other countries in the EU and I would not be surprised if it happens some where else. And then what else would be banned next (and I cannot think of any other religious groups who have been denyed the freedom to worship their own religion in Europe..oh wait..wasn't there a bit about Jewish rights in the 1940's in Germany )? And it is not as if this particular group just appeared in France overnight..many have been born in France and have ties to the country.

I think that this ruling in the end handles more about culture domination rather than religious intolerance. Yes the burka can be considered a symbol of relgion but (from reading the papers), I think the French government is seeing it more as rather a piece of clothing that segregates you from the rest of the public and therefore making you a non-conformist. You live in France, be more French in other words. I realize that they have done this with relgious symbols in the schools and such (and not just with symbols of islam) but it just feels to me that if you are wearing a scarf on your head rather than tied fashionably around your throat, you will not be accepted there. Which to me, is wrong.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-25-2011, 03:01 AM

^ post of the thread.

djchameleon · 04-25-2011, 04:56 AM

So the French President is trying to be a feminist and feel like Muslim women shouldn't have to hide themselves but he needs to educate himself because it's against their religion to be out in public without their burquas.

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"O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."
Qur'an Surah/Chapter Al-Ahzab Ayah/Verse 59

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"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"
Qur'an Sura Nur Chapter: The Light. Verse 31

I agree with you ,Liljagare that it is very wrong and essentially a slippery slope because if they can get away with this in the future they can get away with other atrocities.

The main reason I say that the women should move because while this is being debated the law is already in place so they either have to follow it and go against their own religion or pay the fine. If they feel as strongly in their religious convictions enough to wear the burqa in the first place it would be easier to move for the time being until this stupid law is removed.

It is plain stubborn to just say why should they have to move. Sure they shouldn't have to move but to be realistic it's already too late and women are being fined for wearing their religious attire.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-25-2011, 05:00 AM

You've explained it three times and still there is no real need for an entire congregation of Muslims to move based on the laws and opinions of others. If this happened the Indian's would have moved away from Britain years ago from the treatment they received.

djchameleon · 04-25-2011, 05:02 AM

Okay, so you just want them to stay there go against the law and pay the fines that they constantly get.

Got it.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-25-2011, 05:04 AM

Well if that is their choice then so be it. You can't tell all those people to move if they don't like it, they'd laugh in your face. Change is only made when effort is made towards changing it. Laws aren't always permanent.

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04-25-2011, 03:01 AM	#36 (permalink)
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04-25-2011, 05:00 AM	#38 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	You've explained it three times and still there is no real need for an entire congregation of Muslims to move based on the laws and opinions of others. If this happened the Indian's would have moved away from Britain years ago from the treatment they received. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

04-25-2011, 05:04 AM	#40 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	Well if that is their choice then so be it. You can't tell all those people to move if they don't like it, they'd laugh in your face. Change is only made when effort is made towards changing it. Laws aren't always permanent. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

04-24-2011, 06:03 PM	#34 (permalink)
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