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Old 01-19-2013, 06:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Look, I admit I know little of the struggle that goes on between the pro-gun (do you call if pro-defence? Dunno, but just in case) and the anti-gun factions in the US, but is calling for the impeachment of a president who is finally trying to bring some sanity to the massive availablity of guns in the USA not pushing it? Does anyone --- particularly those who fall on the, shall we say, pro-guns side --- agree, or think this is a step too far? And is there any possibilty of it being passed or even considered seriously?

I'd love to know what you there "on the ground" who have experienced the different sides of this long-raging argument feel about this.

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Old 01-19-2013, 08:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Definitely irrational. I'm not really pro or anti-gun, but I have no problem with obamas new proposals. He's not even trying to ban guns, only assault rifles, which I don't think should be a very big deal.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think it's mainly just posturing. On one hand the congressman gets his name in the press and more attention for their inevitable re-election campaign; on the other it's like a situation where you enter a negotiation asking for a million dollar settlement but really only want a thousand - whatever they offer, you come out ahead and they look like they caved.
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I think this reaction to new discussions about anti-gun laws is telling of the times to come for not only America, but the world as we know it. This is more than just civilian safety now, its BIG government business and the corrupt powers who are behind furthering this selfish agenda are relentless.
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The republican party appears to many people as the party of Guns. That is not good. If this continues I don't know how the Republican party can remain relevant.
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Look, I admit I know little of the struggle that goes on between the pro-gun (do you call if pro-defence? Dunno, but just in case) and the anti-gun factions in the US, but is calling for the impeachment of a president who is finally trying to bring some sanity to the massive availablity of guns in the USA not pushing it? Does anyone --- particularly those who fall on the, shall we say, pro-guns side --- agree, or think this is a step too far? And is there any possibilty of it being passed or even considered seriously?

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Honestly, conservative politicians pull shit like this all the time over here. It's melodramatic and dumb but it's just business as usual for that crowd. It's just a way for that jackass to get his name in the paper. There's no potential of it being passed.
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As an independent myself, I don't have any problem with any of the executive orders Obama signed. In fact, I think they were all excellent ideas.

I'm a little less receptive to the assault weapons ban, because if it's instituted in the way that the previous one was, and guns are not actually taken away (as Obama has assured us), it's not actually going to do anything. I can think of many more things to legislate for the saving of many more lives than the miniscule percentage of fatalities caused by assault rifles. And, considering that the ban would simply ban the new manufacturing of them, it doesn't do anything for the millions of assault rifles that are already here.

So, ultimately I think this is more of a political win that's trying to be made, rather than an attempt to actually solve a problem, which is really disturbing to me in that the administration is trying to score a political win off the backs of 20 dead children because "the picking is good right now", with everyone still emotional over the event and more likely to support the legislation.

Is all that impeachable? Probably not. Happens all the time.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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OK I see. Thanks for explaining it guys. Just the last time the I word was used it was supposed to land Bush in the dock. Of course it never happened, but at least he would have had a lot more to answer for than trying (however ineffectively) to get guns off the street.

That sort of mad rhetoric worries me, but I suppose it's similar to the possibilty of abortion being made even slightly legal here: just not going to happen, no matter how many people want it. Catholic Ireland will always win out; the priests trump the politicians every time, which is weird really when you consider the scandal and pure scumfest the former have been involved in so very recently...
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The only grounds for impeachment are high crimes and treason. Passing gun laws are neither.
Can't they go back to seceding from the union again? That was more entertaining.
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As an independent myself, I don't have any problem with any of the executive orders Obama signed. In fact, I think they were all excellent ideas.

I'm a little less receptive to the assault weapons ban, because if it's instituted in the way that the previous one was, and guns are not actually taken away (as Obama has assured us), it's not actually going to do anything. I can think of many more things to legislate for the saving of many more lives than the miniscule percentage of fatalities caused by assault rifles. And, considering that the ban would simply ban the new manufacturing of them, it doesn't do anything for the millions of assault rifles that are already here.

So, ultimately I think this is more of a political win that's trying to be made, rather than an attempt to actually solve a problem, which is really disturbing to me in that the administration is trying to score a political win off the backs of 20 dead children because "the picking is good right now", with everyone still emotional over the event and more likely to support the legislation.

Is all that impeachable? Probably not. Happens all the time.
i don't even think all this is about a political win, personally. i think it's way crazier than that. or, potentially, anyway. i mean, it seems like that, but i doubt that it is.

i watched obama's little speech where he kind of alluded to his plan on this a bit, and it was just emotional bullsh*t geared toward what in my opinion was winning over the hearts of vulnerable people. and that, of course, seems like political tactics.

but i don't imagine it doing anything. and that's pretty telling. i just can't shake the feeling that this new legislation is just one more step toward orwellian domination, particularly in the mode of thought crime.

they know that even if they banned all guns (aside from causing a civil war) the criminals will get what they need to be criminals. so what i see happening is they limit the guns, crime rate will probably continue to escalate, and then they'll get more into the "psychology of criminals" instituting legally bound criteria to arrest and detain someone for looking suspiciously at a fire hydrant.
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