Was Mohammad originally Jesus?

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 05-21-2014, 08:45 AM

Actually muhammed waa originally cassius and that's fact

Neapolitan · 05-21-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

Actually muhammed waa originally cassius and that's fact

He was Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr. named after his father Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr. who was named after the abolitionist, Cassius Marcellus Clay of Kentucky aka "The Lion of White Hall." Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr. was "a handsome, mercurial, noisy, combative failed dreamer" and "hard-drinking, skirt-chasing dandy of a daddy" and described by his son "the fanciest dancer in Louisville." From Wikipedia - Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr.

~~Lord Larehip~~ · 05-23-2014, 04:25 PM

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Lisnaholic · 05-24-2014, 06:15 PM

Interpreting symbols and imagery from the past is an intriguing, but risk-filled business and I suspect that Lord Larehip has confused two distinct symbols here:-

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Part of the "Sunrise" collection of 8th century Islamic coins showing the two fish of Pisces violates the Islamic ban on depicting living creatures in art as well as glorifying the Age of Jesus, Pisces, which is why jesus is imaged as a fish.

Two figures of fishes, swimming in opposed directions are the astrological sign for Pisces:-

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It is one of the earliest zodiac signs on record, with the two fish appearing as far back as c. 2300 BCE on an Egyptian coffin lid.
According to one Greek myth, Pisces represents the fish into which Aphrodite (also considered Venus) and her son Eros (also considered Cupid) transformed in order to escape the monster Typhon, the "father of all monsters".

A single fish is used as a code about being Christian, because the initials of the word "fish" in Greek can be taken to stand for "Jesus Christ, God`s Son, Saviour". While it makes sense for the the Piscean fishes to be drawn in detail, because they are characters in a story, the Christian fish is part of an abstract word game, and is drawn in the simplest manner:-

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According to one ancient story, when a Christian met a stranger in the road, the Christian sometimes drew one arc of the simple fish outline in the dirt. If the stranger drew the other arc, both believers knew they were in good company. Current bumper-sticker and business-card uses of the fish hearken back to this practice.
—Christianity Today, Elesha Coffman, "Ask The Expert"

Unfortunately for my theory, LL is quite right when he says "...the Age of Jesus, Pisces..." because JC was apparently born at the beginning of the zodiacal age of Pisces - a coincidence that doesn`t help in unravelling historical symbols.

Mr. Charlie · 05-24-2014, 08:42 PM

A thread criticising 1.6 billion peoples belief? Haha. Welcome to the age of enlightened tolerance.

Xurtio · 05-28-2014, 08:28 PM

There was an old testament and the messiah was foretold. Later on, Muslims believe someone from their culture was the messiah, Christians believe some guy from their culture is. Jews don't think the messiah has come yet.

And that's modern monotheism of the west in a nutshell.

bobbywestvirginia · 06-24-2014, 09:37 AM

jesus ruined my life.

**Janszoon** · 06-27-2014, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Xurtio

There was an old testament and the messiah was foretold. Later on, Muslims believe someone from their culture was the messiah, Christians believe some guy from their culture is. Jews don't think the messiah has come yet.

And that's modern monotheism of the west in a nutshell.

I don't think the bolded is accurate. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure Muslims believe that Muhammad was a prophet, not the messiah.

Xurtio · 06-27-2014, 08:45 AM

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I don't think the bolded is accurate. I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure Muslims believe that Muhammad was a prophet, not the messiah.

Ah, you are correct. I guess I didn't appreciate the distinction. Apparently, Jesus is still the messiah in Islam. Though, my impression is still that Muhammad's words overturn Jesus's. That he is more of a role model than Jesus for Islam, so it puts into question the significance of the messiah.

**Frownland** · 06-27-2014, 12:10 PM

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Ah, you are correct. I guess I didn't appreciate the distinction. Apparently, Jesus is still the messiah in Islam. Though, my impression is still that Muhammad's words overturn Jesus's. That he is more of a role model than Jesus for Islam, so it puts into question the significance of the messiah.

Jesus is a prophet but not the messiah in Islam. They see Muhammad as the most significant prophet.

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