Morality vs Fear of consequences

OccultHawk · 02-02-2017, 09:30 PM

I'd also steal like a mother****er. I'd take every cent from every rich person on the planet. And rape? ****, people I hate I'd rape them, torture them, kill them and their ****ing families. I hate people I hate.

Chula Vista · 02-02-2017, 09:30 PM

I have a gun and a bunch of ammo. I have about a month's worth of food for three people. I have enough water to last the same amount of time. Also, tons of paper products. My two dogs weigh 150 pounds combined. If hell breaks loose I'm good until stability returns, I hope.

That being said, there's a few people I'd love to remove from the planet.

Neapolitan · 02-02-2017, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Say the rule of law disappeared tomorrow, and there was no way you could be charged for any crime, would you commit any?

Just to clarify what is meant by "The Rule of Law"

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Derived from internationally accepted standards, the World Justice Project’s definition of the rule of law is a system in which the following four universal principles are upheld:

The government and its officials and agents as well as individuals and private entities are accountable under the law.
The laws are clear, publicized, stable, and just; are applied evenly; and protect fundamental rights, including the security of persons and property and certain core human rights.
The process by which the laws are enacted, administered, and enforced is accessible, fair, and efficient.
Justice is delivered timely by competent, ethical, and independent representatives and neutrals who are of sufficient number, have adequate resources, and reflect the makeup of the communities they serve.

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My answer would be NO, because without a legal system and junk like that, it would only mean the world would be lawless, and it would be over run by vigil aunties trying to set things right on their own. These vigil aunties would take place of cops and whatnot. Say if you take too much time trying to get in your car. Well if these vigil aunties see you they will naturally think you are stealing a car, and whammo! like ninjas they'll drop out of the sky and they will be all over you like white one rice. Man, I don't think you thought this through.

JiggleMonster · 02-02-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiomara

I'd have a grand old time doing various illegal but harmless [chaotic-good] things. Mostly just poking around where I shouldn't be. I've always wanted to snoop around in one of those ugly suburban mcmansions and find out what sort of sordid secrets they have. And probably steal their bourbon too. Maybe a tiny bit of arson? A small, perfectly reasonable amount of arson.

I can think of a few people who I would like to seriously injure. But they truly deserve it. (And the US justice system is utterly useless, the way they lock up nonviolent offenders for decades while allowing truly vile people go free)

It's interesting, because I've known a lot of absolutely awful people who pretend to be good, virtuous people, convincingly even (they manage to fool everyone), but it's just a performance. They're always smiling and virtue-signaling and then ****ing up everyone's lives left and right.
I suspect we all unconsciously harbor some dark, questionable urges though. Surely each person has something which would eventually rear its head if we lived in a lawless society. Especially since people habitually repress things so much.

I like your answer. I would tag a long with you. If you don't mind, of course. Then again...if you did mind, I could just kill you and do it all by myself.

DwnWthVwls · 02-03-2017, 01:42 AM

I already break all the laws I disagree with. I'd like to believe nothing would change (for me), but I don't think it's possible to predict any of our actions when the burden of accountability is removed. It would take time to grow accustom to absolute freedom and for the most part people would remain good (because we generally are), but the general inconsideration and "world revolves around me" attitude that we all witness on the daily would inevitably lead to everyone being less "good".

The Batlord · 02-03-2017, 02:02 AM

I'd get a gun and squat someplace halfway decent but small that I wouldn't be too worried about armed gangs of bandits deciding to take over. I mean, why would I pay to live someplace when I could just not?

Oriphiel · 02-03-2017, 02:48 AM

It's kind of a flawed question, since choices would still have consequences, even without a formal system of law. Try to rob someone, and you'd probably get your head blown off. Try to kill someone, and they'd try to kill you right back. A more interesting question would involve a scenario where there are literally no consequences. Otherwise, this thread is just gonna be "What would I do in a Mad Max world?" type thing. But then again, I love Mad Max, so here's my two cents on a lawless world:

In the end, the people who talk big about how many people they'd kill/rape/rob would not last long. In a world with guns, bombs, crossbows, knives, etc., life isn't survival of the fittest. It's survival of the person who isn't a pencil dick that needs to hurt others to feel good about themselves, and has no qualms about finding a way to be self sufficiant in a place hidden from the rest of the world.

Thus I suggest that in the event of society breaking down, we all pool our resources and set up a secret base somewhere. Batlord can bring the booze, Innerspaceboy can bring his servers that are surely filled with porn (as well as generators for electricity), Chula can bring his guns/knives and his dad humor, Exo can bring all his movies, Ki can write a survival guide making lists like "Top ten plants to eat to survive in the post apocalypse", and so on.

The Batlord · 02-03-2017, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Suzy Creamcheese

Ki can write a survival guide making lists like "Top ten plants to eat to survive in the post apocalypse", and so on.

nb4 Ki actually writes this article

Chiomara · 02-03-2017, 03:27 AM

..Actually, nevermind, I think I'd just live in nice tree pod (or..a yurt? A tree yurt?) in Costa Rica with a family of sloths and take naps all day.

DwnWthVwls · 02-03-2017, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Suzy Creamcheese

It's kind of a flawed question, since choices would still have consequences, even without a formal system of law. Try to rob someone, and you'd probably get your head blown off. Try to kill someone, and they'd try to kill you right back. A more interesting question would involve a scenario where there are literally no consequences. Otherwise, this thread is just gonna be "What would I do in a Mad Max world?" type thing. But then again, I love Mad Max, so here's my two cents on a lawless world:

Please explain... are we immortal or something? I don't understand how you take consequences out of this equation. I mean even with immortality there is always a result of action. We would have to be reduced to the point of non sentience and even then there are consequences, we just wouldn't recognize them.

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None; I would be too scared to commit a crime	0	0%
Grand larceny	3	25.00%
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Murder	1	8.33%
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02-02-2017, 09:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I have a gun and a bunch of ammo. I have about a month's worth of food for three people. I have enough water to last the same amount of time. Also, tons of paper products. My two dogs weigh 150 pounds combined. If hell breaks loose I'm good until stability returns, I hope. That being said, there's a few people I'd love to remove from the planet. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

02-03-2017, 02:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
Oriphiel Ask me how! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: The States Posts: 5,355	It's kind of a flawed question, since choices would still have consequences, even without a formal system of law. Try to rob someone, and you'd probably get your head blown off. Try to kill someone, and they'd try to kill you right back. A more interesting question would involve a scenario where there are literally no consequences. Otherwise, this thread is just gonna be "What would I do in a Mad Max world?" type thing. But then again, I love Mad Max, so here's my two cents on a lawless world: In the end, the people who talk big about how many people they'd kill/rape/rob would not last long. In a world with guns, bombs, crossbows, knives, etc., life isn't survival of the fittest. It's survival of the person who isn't a pencil dick that needs to hurt others to feel good about themselves, and has no qualms about finding a way to be self sufficiant in a place hidden from the rest of the world. Thus I suggest that in the event of society breaking down, we all pool our resources and set up a secret base somewhere. Batlord can bring the booze, Innerspaceboy can bring his servers that are surely filled with porn (as well as generators for electricity), Chula can bring his guns/knives and his dad humor, Exo can bring all his movies, Ki can write a survival guide making lists like "Top ten plants to eat to survive in the post apocalypse", and so on. __________________ ---------------------- \|---Mic's Albums---\| ---------------------- ----------------------------- \|---Deafbox Industries---\| -----------------------------

02-02-2017, 09:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	I'd also steal like a mother**er. I'd take every cent from every rich person on the planet. And rape? , people I hate I'd rape them, torture them, kill them and their **ing families. I hate people I hate.

02-03-2017, 03:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
Chiomara mayor of spookytown Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 812	..Actually, nevermind, I think I'd just live in nice tree pod (or..a yurt? A tree yurt?) in Costa Rica with a family of sloths and take naps all day.