djchameleon

What is this favorite website? It might be the one I was looking for.

Also you support protecting rapists? who gives a fuck if their name is released

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butthead aka 216

Deadspin.com. They always have screen caps of tweets, I am guessing you could find it there.

And I support protecting accused rapists. The same goes for accused child molesters, or those accused of sexual harassment/assault. Completely stupid to drag someone's name through the mud and try to ruin their careers/family/whatever. It just creates a mob mentality in the community.

GuitarBizarre

The Steubenville case was:

1 - A bunch of football players were given an environment wherein they were allowed to exercise power, and be favoured by the system, for a variety of illegal or just horrible, things.

2 - The football players abused this environment in order to rape an underaged girl.

3 - The girl reported this, yet the people who supported the football players excesses, used their authority and power in order to try and cover up the case, including the local sheriff, and many educational authority figures, who attempted to conspire together to get the rapists off scot-free.

4 - The internet finds out and conducts a campaign (With Anonymous involved), to get these people brought to justice.

5 - While this campaign is going on and the scandal is blowing up, lots of people on twitter end up victim blaming, and trying to claim that the victim "deserved" it, or was "Slutty". I recall many tweets that said words to the effect of "If you don't want to get raped don't go to a party and get drunk underaged".

6 - A slew of newspapers, after some of the rapists were successfully convicted, ran sympathetic stories about how the rapists lives were now ruined, framing them as "Promising young athletes" and trying to downplay how horrible their crime was.

Obviously the above is reprehensible and horrible. This is victim blaming and this is how it comes to light in society.









I am fully with Tore and Lateralus here - The idea that someone can be responsible for their own rape is ridiculous and stupid. The rapist bears full responsibility.

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Paedantic Basterd

What the hell? Why is this a question?

Is it your fault if someone breaks into your house, kidnaps your children, or fires a gun into your nostril?

GuitarBizarre

Its a question because some reprehensible human beings still believe there are circumstances where the victim is at fault for the actions of the rapist.

Its ridiculous, stupid, and depressing, but you only have to read 3 different newspaper stories about any given rape case, to spot at least one of them trying to play it off as the victim's fault.

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Paedantic Basterd

Certainly, and I'm familiar with the ways of the world. I suppose what I really meant to ask was:

Why are we debating this?

Anyone who comes out of the woodwork and says "weeeelll maybeee" is just doing it to troll and damn well knows the kind of argument they'd be starting.

Frownland

Cue HHBH.

I'm guessing that the victim blamers think that victims are deserving of their unfortunate events because it was possible for the victim to prevent the situation. Not going to parties and staying sober are ways to prevent being raped, for example. It's still a ridiculous argument, since it's the same as saying "if you didn't want to get attacked by a shark, you shouldn't have gone swimming at the beach," but I think that's where the mindset comes from. That and general misogyny, preference for the rapists, or some other factor that deludes a moron's manner of thinking, that is.

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GuitarBizarre

I was gonna say exactly that. Or maybe the return of Dirty.

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Wanna hear a funny story? At Bonnaroo (a festival presumably about music, but really just about getting wasted), drug peddlers would be lined up shouting whatever they were selling. Some industrious hippies had a real zinger of an sales pitch, "ROOFIES AND VIAGRA, BANG-A-ROO!"

Anyways, Frownland, what this thread is actually about is an exercise of Westerner's circle jerking with horror at the realization that "OMG, TANNER, DID YOU KNOW OUR VALUES AREN'T UNIVERSALLY HELD?!??!" It's the sort of casual eurocentrism that dominates any discussion of the other on this board.

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Frownland

Funny stuff.

You're correct, we are discussing conflicting values. Would there be a discussion otherwise? Not to mention that my post was an attempt to understand how people on the other side of the coin see the debate, not a bewildered post at the fact that something like an opinion could be different from my own.

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