Kiss (punk, beatles, cover, solo, show)

phoenixflames · 06-23-2005, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr.

Whether you like them or not, you cannot argue that they have been successful.

Great post Jr.! Good to see people actually putting thought into their post instead of just writing "KISS sucks" or "KISS rocks". One thing I would have to add though is that just because a band is sucessful doesn't always mean they are good. Since music is a personal preference, it can be judged either way. I think there are alot of musicly good bands that are not sucessful (pick a reason: bad image, not enough dedication, etc.) and alot of musicly bad bands that are sucessful. The opposite is true as well. Sorry if thats all confusing. I already posted my feelings about KISS, so I won't do it again, but as I said, I can see why people like(d) them.

jr. · 06-23-2005, 08:25 PM

Oh, I absolutely agree. Talent does not always equal success, and vice-versa.

Being a true KISS fan, I will always support them. However, I am also a fan of music, and have heard enough in my life to know KISS is definitely average, at best, music wise.

As I stated, it was the sum of four mediocre parts that added up to their success.

I agree with what you said, though, about posting opinions. "This sucks", or "That Rules" doesn't say anything.

phoenixflames · 06-23-2005, 08:39 PM

I wasn't really around when they were huge, but from looking back at history I think alot of their sucess also had to do with the period of time the USA was going through. Of course you can say that about any trend or style, but I think it applies in their case. There is nothing wrong with you liking them though. At least you like them for the music and not just for the image (thats how you come across at any rate). Being a "true" fan reqires liking something, even when it isan't popular anymore...

jr. · 06-23-2005, 08:58 PM

The thing about KISS that made so wildly popular is the fact that they were original. Not musically, as we've already covered.

They took glam (i.e., the Dolls, Alice Cooper, T Rex, etc), and took it wildly over the top, and people bought it. They had never seen anything like it before. They captured lightning in a bottle. Not the first time it had happened, either.

The Beatles. Not even close to being great musicians, but they were something no-one had ever seen before. Mop top heads, Italian boots, etc. They were the KISS of the early-mid 60's.

Even before that...Elvis. Big pompadour, sideburns, hips shaking. No-one had done that. Never mind that in very short order, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis were acting crazier than Elvis ever dreamed.

What is the one common denominator between the three? KISS, the Beatles, and Elvis?
(other than the facts that they weren't talented musically, and were wildly popular?)

Rebellion.

Parents hated them, felt threatened by them. They were different, the first of their kind. That was part of the reason they were so popular. Hey, if Mom and Dad hate them, they must be cool.

phoenixflames · 06-23-2005, 09:17 PM

^ Good post and good point. In essence, most music is some form of rebellion, but I suppose "Rock" (using that term very liberay) is more so than others.

To me, KISS was definatly over the top, but then again I have never really gone for the whole masked and costumed band thing. Just give me plain people who make good music. As it was pointed out, they were a "Show", not just a concert and I'm sure that also boosted popularity (especially with the people who can't tell good music from a hole in the ground). KISS will definatly have their place in history and I'm sure they influenced alot of regular people and musicians too.

rory's_gettin_it_on · 08-18-2005, 04:41 AM

everybody says kiss is more than a

band , it's an industry... but the truth is kiss is just a good band ... there are no great bands or bands that suck... if they manage to connect to one person in the whole audience then they made it big.. if you listen to the lyrics, most of them talk about sex but in between you can hear a song that reaches out and grabs you ... they've got what most band didn't , don't and never will have ... they have hooks , and lot's of 'em. If I ask anybody a hit song from Grand Funk Railroad or Foghat or Primal Scream , I'm not sure how many would reply , but anybody can scream I wanna rock and roll all night ... i like em cose they they got that feeling of a band that works hard , they're lyrics are really well written and they put on a hell of a show ... i'm not saying that lick it up is a brilliant song in terms of writing, but there's a hook there and it gets you.. i like em, and if you don't say it , scream it but don't try to convince people they suck because you won't... they work for it and they diserve it... KISS is OK in my book

phoenixflames · 08-18-2005, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory's_gettin_it_on

there are no great bands or bands that suck... if they manage to connect to one person in the whole audience then they made it big.

I think you are a bit off base here. There are bands that are good and bands that suck, but that is just a personal opinon. You might like them, other might not. But to say that there are no good bands or no bad bands... Thats like saying there is nothing hot or cold. It just doesn't work.

As far as making it big when "they manage to connect to one person in the whole audience", thats just a load of dog poopie. I think you are confusing being big with making an impact. If a band connects to one person, then they only connect with one person. That in no may makes them big. If they connect with 100,000 people, then thats more approaching big territory. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a band is bad if they only connect with one person, just that they aren't big.

Wether KISS is any good or not is just personal opinion...

Fenixpunk · 08-18-2005, 10:46 AM

Kiss rock admit it or not...
Strutter, Creatures of The Night, Unholy, Domino, God of Thunder, I Love It Loud

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-18-2005, 10:56 AM

If Kiss had quit in say 1978 I think everybody would be saying how great they are.

Almost 3 decades of being mediocre have not exactly helped their profile.

Fenixpunk · 08-18-2005, 11:01 AM

true, i find it hard to believe anyone would go to a kiss show to hear "Lets Put the X in Sex"..

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06-23-2005, 08:25 PM	#32 (permalink)
jr. Seeker of Peace Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newark, De. Posts: 341	Oh, I absolutely agree. Talent does not always equal success, and vice-versa. Being a true KISS fan, I will always support them. However, I am also a fan of music, and have heard enough in my life to know KISS is definitely average, at best, music wise. As I stated, it was the sum of four mediocre parts that added up to their success. I agree with what you said, though, about posting opinions. "This sucks", or "That Rules" doesn't say anything. __________________ Be strong then, and enter into your own body; there you have a solid place for your feet. ~ Kabir

06-23-2005, 08:39 PM	#33 (permalink)
phoenixflames Something That You're Not Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cold And All Alone Posts: 475	I wasn't really around when they were huge, but from looking back at history I think alot of their sucess also had to do with the period of time the USA was going through. Of course you can say that about any trend or style, but I think it applies in their case. There is nothing wrong with you liking them though. At least you like them for the music and not just for the image (thats how you come across at any rate). Being a "true" fan reqires liking something, even when it isan't popular anymore... __________________ ----------- I'm the lead singer and bass player for the band The Ascent (And Decline) Of Terrion. Yay for me... We're from Ohio. Yay for us... www.theascentofterrion.com Be our friend on MySpace

06-23-2005, 08:58 PM	#34 (permalink)
jr. Seeker of Peace Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newark, De. Posts: 341	The thing about KISS that made so wildly popular is the fact that they were original. Not musically, as we've already covered. They took glam (i.e., the Dolls, Alice Cooper, T Rex, etc), and took it wildly over the top, and people bought it. They had never seen anything like it before. They captured lightning in a bottle. Not the first time it had happened, either. The Beatles. Not even close to being great musicians, but they were something no-one had ever seen before. Mop top heads, Italian boots, etc. They were the KISS of the early-mid 60's. Even before that...Elvis. Big pompadour, sideburns, hips shaking. No-one had done that. Never mind that in very short order, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis were acting crazier than Elvis ever dreamed. What is the one common denominator between the three? KISS, the Beatles, and Elvis? (other than the facts that they weren't talented musically, and were wildly popular?) Rebellion. Parents hated them, felt threatened by them. They were different, the first of their kind. That was part of the reason they were so popular. Hey, if Mom and Dad hate them, they must be cool. __________________ Be strong then, and enter into your own body; there you have a solid place for your feet. ~ Kabir

06-23-2005, 09:17 PM	#35 (permalink)
phoenixflames Something That You're Not Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cold And All Alone Posts: 475	^ Good post and good point. In essence, most music is some form of rebellion, but I suppose "Rock" (using that term very liberay) is more so than others. To me, KISS was definatly over the top, but then again I have never really gone for the whole masked and costumed band thing. Just give me plain people who make good music. As it was pointed out, they were a "Show", not just a concert and I'm sure that also boosted popularity (especially with the people who can't tell good music from a hole in the ground). KISS will definatly have their place in history and I'm sure they influenced alot of regular people and musicians too. __________________ ----------- I'm the lead singer and bass player for the band The Ascent (And Decline) Of Terrion. Yay for me... We're from Ohio. Yay for us... www.theascentofterrion.com Be our friend on MySpace

08-18-2005, 04:41 AM	#36 (permalink)
rory's_gettin_it_on Groupie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3	kiss everybody says kiss is more than a band , it's an industry... but the truth is kiss is just a good band ... there are no great bands or bands that suck... if they manage to connect to one person in the whole audience then they made it big.. if you listen to the lyrics, most of them talk about sex but in between you can hear a song that reaches out and grabs you ... they've got what most band didn't , don't and never will have ... they have hooks , and lot's of 'em. If I ask anybody a hit song from Grand Funk Railroad or Foghat or Primal Scream , I'm not sure how many would reply , but anybody can scream I wanna rock and roll all night ... i like em cose they they got that feeling of a band that works hard , they're lyrics are really well written and they put on a hell of a show ... i'm not saying that lick it up is a brilliant song in terms of writing, but there's a hook there and it gets you.. i like em, and if you don't say it , scream it but don't try to convince people they suck because you won't... they work for it and they diserve it... KISS is OK in my book

08-18-2005, 10:46 AM	#38 (permalink)
Fenixpunk The Erroneous Hoodlum Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: West Side Phoenix Posts: 2,057	Kiss rock admit it or not... Strutter, Creatures of The Night, Unholy, Domino, God of Thunder, I Love It Loud __________________ This message has been approved by Shawn Erroneous - The Declaimed

08-18-2005, 10:56 AM	#39 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	If Kiss had quit in say 1978 I think everybody would be saying how great they are. Almost 3 decades of being mediocre have not exactly helped their profile. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

08-18-2005, 11:01 AM	#40 (permalink)
Fenixpunk The Erroneous Hoodlum Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: West Side Phoenix Posts: 2,057	true, i find it hard to believe anyone would go to a kiss show to hear "Lets Put the X in Sex".. __________________ This message has been approved by Shawn Erroneous - The Declaimed