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Linkin Park is probably one of the worst bands to ever come on to the music scene.

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Rainard Jalen

I agree with what you're saying - definitely if you take everything that is referred to as indie, it's way way too broad to pigeonhole with such statements. However, I think that when proggies attack indie music, they're generally referring to the more kind of simple bare basics minimal guitar pop/rock style of the 90s and current decade. This they seem to consider as representing all (or almost all) indie - which needless to say, is wrong.

boo boo

It obviously dosen't represent all Indie but I see most Indie today as being either too miminalist (Sebadoh) or way too experimental for its own good (Animal Collective) or just plain unbearable crap (Deerhoof).

But I do like my share of indie. I have albums by Sonic Youth, Flaming Lips, Pixies, Slint, PJ Harvey, Wilco, My Bloody Valentine, Yo La Tengo, Godspeed You!!! Black Emperor, Pavement, Dinosaur Jr, My Morning Jacket, Arcade Fire, Elliott Smith, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Black Keys, Rilo Kiley, The Jesus Lizard and others.

Most of these artists are very progressive and inventive with their music. I know that being a prog fan I will sometimes be stereotyped as someone who only cares about the technical skill of the musicians, which sucks.

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Rainard Jalen

See, to me the experimentation of all three of those bands is one hell of a lot more interesting than any 90s/00s prog I've ever come across.

A lot of proggies scorn and belittle indie music for supposedly not being innovative or compositionally complex enough. I think the truth is entirely the opposite: there is much more creative and inventive experimentation within music within the indie scene of the last 10 years or so than there has been within either the prog or metal scene of the same time span.

mr dave

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boo boo

I disagree. Prog was pretty MIA in the 80s and was just starting to come around again in the 90s. But even though its not often reported, prog is back and healthy again now. And I think theres a lot of great stuff now.

Indie pretty much ruled the 90s and was great in the 80s too. But I think Indie is way too overexposed now, and right now prog has a lot better stuff to offer as far as I'm concerned. The Mars Volta, Porcupine Tree, Ozric Tentacles, Spocks Beard, Flower Kings, Battles, Kayo Dot, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, The Fall of Troy, Godspeed You!!! Black Emperor, Isis. Overall this is a lot more interesting and musically stimulating to me than todays Indie scene.

HEY. Thats an unpopular opinion, good thing I posted that here eh?

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TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

So long as you're agreeing that whats known as indie and what is more than a sound to make dough is determined.

I don't think the Killers, who are good, are particularly adventerous but TV on the Radio is the most refreshing thing out there..."I was a lover" is a masterpiece.

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Rainard Jalen

lol, I guess so.

Regarding Battles, Godspeed You!!! Black Emperor, and Isis, it is interesting to find that they are very much acclaimed within the indie community. Not only that, but the first two are even frequently grouped as "indie". Hell, even in the case of Isis, I've heard terms like "indie metal" thrown around.

As for Battles in particular, I think it is the very case in point which demonstrates what is going on the best of all: that they have been so closely associated with the indie community tells me that, in many ways, it's all come back full circle! Prog is now indie all of a sudden, finally endorsed by those who scorned it for so long.

I think that's a positive sign, though. The best way forward for music at this juncture, I believe, is for artists to not shy away from trying certain things in order to avoid an unwanted label.

British_pharaoh

Comus aren't that great

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boo boo

The goals of Prog and Indie are pretty much the same. The execution is just very different.

Porcupine Tree, Ozric Tentacles, Anglagard, Spocks Beard, Flower Kings, they're all Indie label bands. But no one considers them Indie because they are well established as Prog. As for Battles, some don't think they are prog, because Prog has a few stupid purist fans who think any band that sounds "too different" from other prog bands can't be prog. Couldn't be further from the truth.

I think Indie bands are not just bands that are on an Indie label but simply have what would be considered an "Indie sound". In other words they dont fall into any other genre so they're Indie. Battles dispite being on an Indie label, sound like a prog band, and therefore are a prog band.

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