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**boo boo** · 05-03-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Very possible. Certainly, I do not think prog in general is inaccessible at all, and your claims about melody may well be correct. But melody is not the aim of these bands. Many of Beethoven's contemporaries wrote much better minuets that he ever did, but that was because he was trying to do something else altogether. Similarly, these bands are trying to go beyond the banality of well tried-and-tested formats.

Well post rock bands right now are probably doing the best job at that.

You know you keep making it out like all new prog is the same, which its not. Theres a lot more to prog than Dream Theater, and Porcupine Tree for that matter.

You really should check out progarchives, its basically the prog fans Pitchfork. Theres well over 3000 bands with their own bios and discography information, and most of them have free MP3 streams. Look around.

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True that they are generally not instrumental virtuosi, but again, technical proficiency is not the aim and inventive/playful exploration is. And ultimately, I think "talent" is best kept as a measure of creative brilliance rather than technical prominence.

I'm not just talking about technical skill but also about song structure and composition. Simply coming up with an original sound is not enough for me if I don't like it. But whatever this argument is going around in circles.

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On the topic of Deerhoof though, I would like to strongly recommend you to listen to Friend Opportunity because melodically that album is unbelievable. Some of the best melody writing I've heard this half of the decade.

I heard some stuff from it I think, I also heard them live and it was painful for me, I hate the guitar playing and can't stand the vocalist.

**boo boo** · 05-03-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I don't find Deerhoof to be any more inaccessible than say Beefheart or The Residents.

More inaccessible than Eskimo, no, more inaccessible than The Commercial Album, f*ck yes.

And Safe as Milk is fairly accessible, it wasn't until Trout Mask Replica that Beefheart got really really freaky.

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Originally Posted by KeithMoon2112

Singing? Guitar playing? Both? What do you mean?

Both.

ProggyMan · 05-03-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

True that they are generally not instrumental virtuosi, but again, technical proficiency is not the aim and inventive/playful exploration is. And ultimately, I think "talent" is best kept as a measure of creative brilliance rather than technical prominence.

I think he's talking compositional skill. Anyway, Porcupine Tree are doing something original. They are no doubt influenced by Floyd but they haven't sounded like them since before Signify. From Lightbulb Sun on they sound nothing like Floyd. Floyd never mixed in Metal riffing with psychedelia the way PT has done (Radioactive Toy is on one of their first albums actually).

KeithMoon2112 · 05-03-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Both.

Isn't that comparing apples to oranges? Syd's Pink Floyd (when he was the front man) was almost completely different from Gilmore's Pink Floyd (when he and Roger sort of shared the front man job).

Listen to See Emily Play and Jugband Blues then listen to Goodbye Blue Sky and Time and it seems like you're listening to two completely different bands, and you are!

ProggyMan · 05-03-2008, 09:43 AM

Apples>Oranges.

**boo boo** · 05-03-2008, 09:44 AM

Well duh, but of course they're gonna be compared, they both filled the same position for the same band at different periods in time.

KeithMoon2112 · 05-03-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Well duh, but of course they're gonna be compared, they both filled the same position for the same band at different periods in time.

I agree with you though, Gilmore is better, but I also think Pink Floyd would be nothing without Syd...Wish You Were Here - gone. The Wall - gone...ect.

15Steps · 05-03-2008, 10:12 AM

I LOVED hail to the thief.
there i said it

**boo boo** · 05-03-2008, 10:25 AM

I do too. I don't see how thats an unpopular opinion.

ProggyMan · 05-03-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4llurb4s3

I LOVED hail to the thief.
there i said it

Seems like 2+2=5 is a fan favorite, same with Wolf At The Door.

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05-03-2008, 09:43 AM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,513	Apples>Oranges. __________________ Shut the fuck up and recognize what you holding ain't really broken. -Ian Bavitz If Noah had the benefit of hindsight on his ship he coulda' snatched two unicorns and left behind the mother fuckin' pigs. -Ian Bavitz I <3: Crowquill is cool. Sorta. I hate the Fall Of Troy. And Joy Division. And West Side Story.

05-03-2008, 09:44 AM
boo boo Dr. Prunk Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Where the buffalo roam. Posts: 6,690	Well duh, but of course they're gonna be compared, they both filled the same position for the same band at different periods in time. __________________ http://www.progarchives.com/

05-03-2008, 10:12 AM
15Steps The Passenger Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bucketheadland Posts: 270	I LOVED hail to the thief. there i said it __________________ “A musician's or artist's responsibility is a simple one, and that is, through your music to tell the truth,” - Tom Morello Originally Posted by the_dp View Post I wasn't even putting my comment as a bait initially and yet, you guys pounced on it like I knew you would.

05-03-2008, 10:25 AM
boo boo Dr. Prunk Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Where the buffalo roam. Posts: 6,690	I do too. I don't see how thats an unpopular opinion. __________________ http://www.progarchives.com/