sleepy jack fire drill

I never stated it because it never came up.


Thats what this forum is for, biased explanation or as I like to call them opinions.

How do you know I wasn't doing any of that? I listened to the song, I read the lyrics they're not good. Michael Jackson doesn't write good lyrics, end of. I write frequently and read better writers than him on a regular basis, I hear better writes than him on a daily basis. Morrissey, Bob Dylan, Conor Oberst, Jeff Mangum, Will Sheff and my more recent favorite Richey James all these guys are strong lyricist that write songs that actually mean something.

There's a certain amount of objectivity when it comes to lyrics that can't be denied. Some things are just bad, those are bad. The rhyming is forced, the approach is cliche, it doesn't sound very intelligent at all and it doesn't sound very articulate. A five year old could write lyrics just as good, or more appropriately just as bad.

I won't stop being opinionated and I am open-minded, I just don't enjoy produced pop crap and when I do enjoy it it's because I'm not taking it seriously.
See? that's all you had to do, now onto the subject of whether or not he plays them well the answer is probably no. The music is simple and basic, there's nothing complex about it. You can't compare his composition skills to anyone who's gone down as a great composer. Granted, it's pop music and meant to be same but look at Pet Sounds, There's Nothing Wrong with Love or the Magic Position on those albums the bands thought outside the box and approach pop in a different way, with odd chords and different record techniques. Michael Jackson wouldn't do such a thing because he won't experiment, he wants to sell records not create art.

I'm not going to waste my money on trash, I've heard plenty of Michael Jackson it isn't good music. I don't care if he invented the instruments he uses, it doesn't change the fact that it isn't good.

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mjscarousal

Then why did you say "like I stated before" whatever... it doesn't matter


OKay... and? Yea Bob Dylan is genius of course... so... I'm not trying to say that MJ is the BEST BESTEST songwriter on the planet. I know that there are alot of other better song writers. Just because there are other better songwriters doesn't mean his a terrible song writer because his far from it. I'm not saying his the GREATEST his one of the greatest songwriters to me. MJ music is very meaningful his writes about real stuff and his personal life. Its just what you take from it and what you get out of it. I love TDCAU its a good meaningful song but you didn't like it... thats you.



I don't understand all that jibb jive you was saying but who gives a flook about rhyming, timing and how the words flow. Alot of the greatest songs ever are just lyrics read over beats. There is no rhyme just someone reading over instrumentals and it flows good. Art comes in different forms bro, its all in how you preceive it. Were talking about LYRICS not about how it flowed (which it did successfully) anyway... I mean what did you get out of the song? You making it seem like the lyrics were irrelavant and it had no message. Dude was preachin the truth and both videos was on point to. So what? A five year old could have wrote some of the things Bob dylan wrote. Its not about how it was written its the message. Just like Man in the Mirror another MJ classic that had a good message its irrelavant to this convo because he exactly didn't write that song but my point is MJ always had meaningful songs that got people thinking about the state of the world. We are the world, he wrote that along side lionel richie. He did alot of charity songs and just all his music was real especially when it got down to his private life because I feel for him and the ish he has to go through.


Its good to stick to your ground and defend your position but your just only seeing black and white its no room for blue. Everything has to be right your way and if its not it just sucks and it also has to suck to other people. You haven't at all given credit to MJ. Your assuming things you have no clue about. I don't understand how you can say MJ is so overrated and his this and that but you haven't listened to all his music, looked at his vids, or anything. Your basing your explanations on what you think not what you've heard or seen. Your making it seem like his not talented and your underrating him. His much more than that. His extremely talented.

Crow you need to stop with this probably crap and assuming ish once again. Just listen to the music and then make an opinion. How can you make an opinion before you listen to the song? Thats your definition of criticism. Its stupid because you haven't heard him play and you haven't listened to any of his music like that. You want to be so opinionated but you have nothin to prove because you haven't listened to the music. Michael Jackson creates art and puts alot of time and effort in the work that he does. His been doing it practically his whole life, MJ loves what he does. His not about the awards and record sells. He loves making music and entertaining people, he wouldn't be doing it for so long if he didn't. His sells alot of records because his music is good.

You don't want to listen to his music fine but stop saying he probably can't play and I'm pretty sure... because its retarded because you haven't listened or seen for urself.

Then don't
but don't sit here and judge something that you have never heard.
You have not heard "plenty of Michael Jackson" music because if you did, I wouldn't be hearing; it probably sounds like this... im pretty sure he can't play instruments and this and that, whatever. You try to judge base on what you believe not on what you heard or seen lol oh yea and those "credible sources"

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sleepy jack fire drill

I've said before on the forum. I never specified when.

It's not meaningful, just because you take a deep topic and write forced lyrics about it doesn't make it meaningful.
Forced rhyming, cliched imagery, all that is the making of bad lyrics. That's why its irrevelant. I don't give a shit what you've been through if you can't illustrate it through words well you're not a good songwriter.

I have to listen to everyone of his songs to say he's overrated? That's bullshit, I just have to listen to one album to come to that conclusion.

Selling lots of records doesn't mean good music, going by that logic tons of crap like Britney Spears is good music. You can go on about that being apples to oranges all you want but the fact is the same logic can be applied to any of this crap thats being passed of as music today.

I've listened to Thriller, Bad and Off the Wall and heard plenty of hits. You're treating it like i've never heard a Michael Jackson song in my life, i've heard plenty.
Are you serious? I don't have magical powers. I can't hear a guitar chord and tell you who just played it, sorry.

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Urban Hatemonger

Oh shut up

Honestly , i've given jackson credit for what I think he does well and you know it , just because I don't look at him in a starry eyed gaze thinking everything he touches is some kind of musical utopia doesn't make it ignorant or childish. If anyone here is biased it's you. There are bands I love , just because I love them I don't assume everything about them is amazing. How you can claim that people don't listen properly to Jackson after the exposure he's had in the last 25 years is laughable , you'd have to live under a rock not to be able to listen to Jackson , and trust me having heard his last few album I wish I had.
As for having to listen to every single song on every single album well thats something most fanboys trot out you don't need to hear anything you just need to hear a selection , as Jackson puts out about 7 singles an album thats not difficult to do either.

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TheCaster

this has officially turned into the micheal jackson argument thread

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CityLightsLikeRain

Absofreakinglutely anything and everything.

From opera to folk to country to rock to metal to rap to avant guarde to classical to musicals to swing to big band to reggae(prob my least favorite though) to ska to punk to pop to goth.

I can find artists I like in any genre.

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British_pharaoh

well I have Smashing Pumpkins next to Sinatra, Ladytron above Interpol, Jimi Hendrix in the same binder as The Sex Pistols and Jurassic 5
and T.I. with Miles Davis, Bob Dylan and Gotan Project

mjscarousal

LOL...ah whatever... man I never said you didn't give him credit all I said was, don't tell me what criticism is, I know what it is. I know MJ isn't picture perfect and I have stated that. I know that lol I know that really no matter how good an artist is, there is always room for improvement in certain areas. Some of you people on here are really underrating MJ thats why I'm just reacting the way I am to some of these comments because I know thats not tru and I'm pretty sure alot of other people feel the same way here to but yes, MJ isn't a golden calf but his not crap under a rug either.

People don't listen to MJ properly because it is tru. MJ has been through ish, with cases, rumors, trial etc for years now. ALL kinds of crap and people get sucked into that ish and when they listen to his music, their not really listening because their so busy trying to judge a person they don't even know squat about instead of judging the music. I just really wish people would seperate his private life from his music. The two don't mix no matter who the artist is. People just need to focus on the music and enjoy his talents.

My thing with "peeps should listen to all of MJ's music". Like you said you really don't have to listen to every SINGLE song an artist has made to criticise. The only reason why I said that is because in MJ's case Quincy Jones produced BAD, OTW,Thriller and helped out with those three main projects. Those albums Q produced were the only ones Crow mentioned he said he listened to supposely but I doubt it.The OTHER albums was all MJ, produced, arranged, composed etc. So in this case it still stands but you can feel any kind of way you want or say whatever. You don't have to listen to Mike. I really could give a... thats just you.

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mjscarousal

and how exactly is it force? Anybody can say certain lyrics were forced. It was a deep topic and the lyrics were deep to. It was meaningful. It wasn't no one two step "I'm going to try to sing about something real", everything he said was real and on point.

Forced rhyming? cliched imagery? thats the same tired bull you said last time. Whats ur point? Cause I don't see it. It was a real good song and the lyrics were real good. Once again there is always going to be someone better than you. There are alot of other good song writers but MJ IS good to. Not ALL songwriters are suppose to write the same way. Forced rhyming? lol who the flook cares about a damn rhythm what the man said in the LYRICS was tru and it hit home. Those were tight lyrics.




Now you don't have to listened to every single song but bro you have to listen to more than one album. So you can ultimately conclude that all MJ songs are going to sound just like ALL the songs on that ONE album? You "claimed" you listened to OTW,BAD,Thriller but they were produced by Q the rest of MJ's music was all him so the ish is going to be different.


Bro I know this already, I KNOW THIS ALREADY. This is why music sucks now because this is whats happening now with most of the artists out today. Just because you sell 54 million don't mean your album was good. How many records you sell isn't a mirror of the exactly quality of the music. Sells doesn't mean nothing for the music industry today BUT if were talking about an artist like Michael Jackson it means alot. MJ deserves everything his achieved because his music is good. Once again I'm not trying to make him seem perfect but he is successful because his talented and his music is good.


Basically JUST the ones Q produced and helped out with

Then stop whining that MJ can't play music then

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