Urban Hat€monger ?

So?

Shall I throw all my Captain Beefheart albums away as well , he never wins any awards or polls either.

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And there are many music professors teaching music courses at good universities on the brilliance of The Beatles especially of John & Paul,including by award winning music professor and composer Dr.Glen Gass,who has been teaching a course on The Beatles and rock music at Indiana University since 1982. On his web site for his course it says the main purpose of this course is to get students to have a better appreciation of this extraordinary group and their remarkable recordings. Dr.Gary Kendal's Beatles course is the most requested course at North Western University. And a music professor by the last name of Heinonen teaches a Beatles course at JYVASKYLA University in Finland,and the university of California also teaches a Beatles course etc.


And Brian Wilson said on a 1995 Nightline TV Beatles tribute show,that Sgt.Pepper is the single greatest album he ever heard,and he played With A Little Help From Friends on the piano and he said I just love this song. He also said he thinks John Lennon &Paul McCartney were the 2 greatest song writers of the 20th century! He also said when he first heard The Beatles great 1965 album Rubber Soul,that he was blown away by it,he said all of the songs flowed together and it was pop music but folk rock at the same time,and this is what he couldn't believe. He said this inspired him to make Pet Sounds.

Elton John said in a 1991 CBS morning news show,when he was asked who he musically admires,he said You can talk about your Rogers & Hammerstein but for the quality of quanity songs that Lennon & McCartney did in that short period of time,they were the 2 greatest song writers of the 20th century! Most music artists want to believe and want the public to believe that *their* the greatest so when they say other music artists are the greatest it really means a lot! The Beatles are also the most covered music artists of all time with everyone from Motown,jazz,classical,and even heavy metal music recording their great diverse music!

And in 2001 VH1 had a panel of well known musicans and music critcs,that voted The Beatles The Greatest Rock Band Ever,and in 2004 Rolling Stone did the same thing and several people said on message boards that Rolling Stone had a recent pael poll like this and The Beatles were voted # 1 again and for darn great reasons too! Nobody created as much innovative,creative,quality,critically acclaimed,popular diverse songs and albums in such a short amazing period of time as The Beatles and thats why most people know that The Beatles Are The Greatest Rock Band That Ever Was Or Will Be!!!!


Oh and A Day's Night is a great pop rock album!!!! And even Bob Dylan said decades ago about The Beatles early music,that their chords were outrageous,and the harmonies were wonderful and they were doing things in music that nobody had done before,and music critic William Mann of The London Times were praising their interesting and unusual chords that they used even in early songs like She Loves You & I Want To Hold Your Hand. Which were not as simple as they seemed and had clever subtleties in them. In December 1963 The London Sunday Times ballet critic Richard Buckle called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the two greatest song composers since Beethoven after John and Paul wrote the music for a ballet called,Mods and Rockers.Infact Bob Dylan said in a Rolling Stone interview this Spring that he's in awe of Paul McCartney and he said he's the only one he's in awe of. He said that Paul has the melody,he has the rhthym and he can sing the ballad very good,and he can play any instrument.

He also said there were no better singers than John Lennon & Paul McCartney and he said if George wasn't stuck in the shadow behind John & Paul and he said who wouldn't get stuck,he would have emerged as a great song writer in his own right anyway.

And when we look at the solo career comparison of Mick Jagger's and Keith Richards solo careers with John,Paul &George's,the facts are John Lennon's first brilliant solo album,and his second great album Imagine are rightfully critically acclaimed, and I love John's Walls & album and Paul McCartney's first solo album McCartney is very good,and he played every instrument all by himself at age 27,and he played so many different instruments great! Wings 1975 Venus &Mars is a great rock album too!

And he and Denny Laine are the only musicians on Paul's great 1973 Band On The Run album,which is critically acclaimed and popular,and he played every instrument by himself again on McCartney 2 in 1979,and most of the instruments on his 1997 Flaming Pie album,and his 2 recent acclaimed popular albums,Chaos And Creation In The Backyard,and Memory Almost Full.And John Paul Jones,David Gilmore,John Bonham & Pete Townsend all played on 2 songs with Paul and Wings on the last Wings album Back To The Egg, in 1979,and they played in the last Wings concert too in December 1979.

You know I have found over 50 former Beatles haters on many message boards and web sites that are noe HUGE Beatles fans and many say they are now their favorite band and that they were the Greatest Band Ever! I didn't communicate with these people but they said in their posts that they had a lot of inaccurate misperceptions of The Beatles and they hadn't even heard most of The Beatles great songs and albums!

Most people don't hate The Beatles in the first place,most people of all ages all around the world love or at least like their music,but it's really something for former haters to turn into big fans and it just goes to show how Great The Beatles music is!!!!

fanofthefab4

John Lennon *NEVER* said this garbage about Ringo's drumming! Go look up a great UK John Lennon fan site,You Are The Plastic Ono Band and read his September 1971 interview at the ST.Regis Hotel and John was asked what he thought about Ringo's drumming and he said that Jim Keltner is a little bit more technical but he feels that Ringo is still one of the best rock drummers! John used Ringo on his first brilliant solo album,John Lennon Plastic Ono Band and he could have gotten any other rock drummer and most would have jumped at the chance to play the drums on a John Lennon album! And Ringo's drumming is very good on this album just like it is on all of The Beatles albums!

John also said Ringo had the best back beat drumming in rock! And Ringo's drumming is great on an early Beatles song Thank You Girl especially at the end it's noticeable,and on Tomorrow Never Knows,Rain which he says is his best work,Strawberry Fields Forever,A Day In The Life which George Martin says it was Ringo's idea to use tom toms giving the song a unique percussion sound,which Phil Collins says is so complicated that he and no other drummer could repeat it! His druming is great on The White album and Abbey Road too including the End solo!

Also Ringo was the drummer for 5 years for the most successful Liverpool group at the time Rory Storm And The Hurricanes and The Beatles and George Martin wanted Pete Best out because he wasn't as good or experienced as Ringo and they wanted to make it big and go up not down so they got a very good successful drummer,Ringo Starr! Also Mark Lewisohn says in his excellent thorough detailed music diary of The Beatles, The Beatles Recording Sessions,where many of their recording engineers and tape operators were interviewed and it truly demonstrates just how creative,innovative and prolific THe Beatles were especially John and Paul,he says in all of the 100's of hours of session tapes,where John and Paul as the perfectionists they were would do everything over so many times,Ringo only made a few mistakes. Mark says Ringo's drumming was remarkably consistent and excellent from 1962-1970.

fanofthefab4

I don't know maybe you should. But no and thats not really the point.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Well yes it is the point.

None of that whole essay changes the fact i'd rather listen to Exile On Main Street over Sgt Pepper anyday.

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And I and many people understandably feel that John Lennon had the best rock voices ever! George Martin said John's voice was one of the best he ever heard,and in May 1967 when The Beatles were recording their song,Baby You're A Rich Man,two recording engineers said they were always fascinated with the sound of John Lennon's voice,and they always wanted to record it live and when they heard him singing this song live they said they couldn't believe how great his voice was and that anyone could sing that well live.

And there are many people on message boards saying they can't stand the sound of Robert Plant's and Mick Jagger's voices,and Bruce Springteen has one of the worst voices I have ever heard,he sounds like he's throwing up to a music backing! I have to turn the radio off as soon as he's on,and the same thing with Tom Petty,he has a terrible nasally bad voice! Bob Dylan has never been considered to have a good voice but I can tolerate him!


The Beatles wrote many great rock songs that were pretty rocking for the time,John's great song You Can't Do That from early 1964 which he played lead guitar on for the first time,Paul's great blues rocker,She's A Woman from late 1964,John's I Feel Fine from late 1964, with the first use of feedback guitar,and one of the first songs to have a great guitar riff,a year before The Rolling Stone's Satisfaction came out,Paul's screaming hard rocker especially for 1965,I'm Down which they played even louder and more screaming at the August 1965 Shea Stadium concert, and as The All Music Guide says I'm Down was one of The Beatles most frantic rockers,and they said they did a really wild performance of this at The Shea Stadium concert. The All Music Guide also says The Beatles showed they could rock really really hard with their early songs,John's I Feel Fine,Paul's She's A Woman,and the peerless I'm Down.

Plus Day Tripper,Paperback Writer,She Said She Said,And You're Bird Can Sing, Taxman,all with heavy electric guitar sounds,John's 1968 hard rocking single Revolution,Yer Blues,Birthday,Back In The USSR,While My Guitar Gently Weeps,Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me &My Monkey,plus Paul's Helter Skeklter which as many people have pointed out was the first heavy metal songs,plus John's I Want You She's So Heavy on Abbey Road which many people have also pointed out was one of the first heavy metal songs,plus his great rocker Come Together,Paul's Oh Darling,You Never Give Me Your Money,and the hard rocking jam of Paul,George,and John on the song The End,etc!! So anyone saying THe Beatles were not a rock band You Are Wrong!!


The Rolling Stones were very good friends and fans of The Beatles and Mick Jagger was at 4 Beatles recording sessions and Keith Richards was at 2 of them with them! The Beatles even wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits with the song,I WAnna Be You're Man in late 1963.

Mick Jagger was such a big Beatles fan that when The Beatles were recording their song,Baby You're A Rich Man in May 1967,he came there and stood on the sidelines just to watch and listen to them record it and his name was on the tape box because he likely sang at the end verses.

The Rolling Stones could also be considered a pop band since they too were very popular,had many hit songs and albums and some of their songs could be classified as pop,Ruby Tuesday,Angie,She's A Rainbow,Lady Jane,As Tears Go By,Waiting On A Friend,Emotional Rescue, their whole Sgt.Pepper rip off Their Satanic Majesties Request and they also put out many greatest hits albums.

fanofthefab4

Well it just means you are in the minority. The White album and Abbey Road are great rock albums too! And it's kind of interesting that hard rock guitarist for the hard rock group Mahagony Rush said in an online interview that he's always hated The Rolling Stones. But he still likes and listens to The Beatles,The Doors and Jimi Hendrix etc. And Dave Nivarro from Jane's Addiction said in Guitar World in 1991 and 1996 that he has always hated The Rolling Stones.

fanofthefab4

Actually Paul and John said they co-wrote She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand working eyeball to eyeball. And both John and Paul also co-wrote With A Little Help From Friends at Paul's piano in his music room in March 1967 and they both wrote it for Ringo to sing which he sang well! And the song on Sgt.Pepper is not Meter Maid,it's Lovely Rita! And also The Beatles especially John and George totally *HATED* Beatlemania! Also,it's true that John in the early years was the main genuis singer and song writer,he wrote almost every great song on the great 1964 Beatles A Hard Day's Night album,Paul wrote three great songs on it though,the great pop rocker Can't Buy Me Love,and the beautiful accoustic songs, And I Love Her and Things We Said Today for his then girlfriend and eventually fiancee the beautiful young red haired British actress Jane Asher.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Mahogagony Rush said so?

Wow why didn't you say earlier this changes everything.
In fact i'll change my whole record collection so it gets the approval of some dinosaur rock band from the 70s.

And as for Dave Navrarro , well he was probably bored of being Perry Farrell's bitch at the time & just wanted to lash out. Him listening to the Stones might have improved that pile of shit that was Janes Addictions last album.

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Actually John was not a bad person,people including his lover for a year and a half,May Pang and others who knew him well knew him as a caring sensitive guy for the most part,and he was just very mentally messed up for most of his life,because he had a lot of childhood and teen psychological traumas( his father left him when John was 3,he then showed up unexpectedly when John was 5 and asked him to chose to stay with him or John's mother Julia,Julia had given John away to her older sister to raise when John was only 5,and JOhn was raised by his aunt Mimi and her kind husband George,who was John's only father figure and he was very close to him,and when John was 12 he came home from a trip in Scotland and learned uncle George was dead,then his mother Julia(thats who the beautiful White Album song is about and who he named his first son Julian after) who he idolized got hit by a car and killed instantly by an off duty cop who was drunk right outside John's aunt's house when John was 17,and he was at his mother's boyfriend's house waiting for her and thats why he went to scream therapy with psychologist Dr.Arthur Janov in 1970,and if it wasn't for Yoko he never would have gone. He made his first brilliant solo album,The John Lennon Plastic Ono Band based on his therapy.

AS a young guy he became angry and got drunk a lot and he sometimes hit women and got into fist fights with men,but he said he later regretted it and he worked on himself and changed with Yoko's love and help.

He was sadly more together and happier towards the end of his life before the crazy obsessed fan who had been a huge Beatles fan and John had been his favorite,killed him! And Imagine is rightfully generally considered a great beautiful song,with John's beautiful singing voice,pretty piano playing,beautiful melody and great lyrics with a great important message!