My taste in music is better than yours... (metal, pop)

Rainard Jalen · 02-04-2008, 03:22 PM

well, let's look at the facts. much of the music in question is plainly:

- absolutely shameless in terms of redundancy and use of cliches either in melody, lyrics, chord progressions, instrumental arrangements and general sonic aesthetics; this is a fact, not a subjective observation. it can be shown empirically through gathering information/statistics and by comparison with other pop of the same sort. again: it is NOT some weird opinion that some pompous underground/indie dude invented. claims of redundancy, banality and creative bankruptcy are expressions of actual facts about the structure of the music itself. observable, verifyable phenomena.

- over-produced, so much so that it doesn't even qualify as great over-produced pop

If creativity really matters to a fan of music, the fact is they're not going to have any interest in the likes of Akon, Nickelback, and so on. the question of TASTE only goes so far as whether one's taste is for unoriginal innocuous uninspired pop, or for something a little more daring, risky, edgy and adventurous. Where one goes from that point on, is really down to plain fact.

littleknowitall · 02-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Thankyou very much for furthering on my point

(not sarcasm)

TheUsed2lguy · 02-04-2008, 09:42 PM

The original poster does make a good point, but to me, it's fairly obvious why people are so self righteous when it comes to music opinions. It's because people look around at the culture, and say, 'man that sucks,' We see so many things in day to day life that we just say that sucks, and we know it's wrong, and then we find out that some person who we think really sucks listens to Nickelback, and we say, "Ha, I've got you, I can prove you suck, because you listen to Nickelback." Everything done by the mainstream, whether just music, or daily behavior, I tend to see it sucks, and so I love being able to prove myself right when I'm able to say, "Ha, oh you listen to this music, that sucks, or oh, you like to shop, oh that sucks" It helps me feel vindicated.

littleknowitall · 02-05-2008, 07:26 AM

I agree with the original poster in the sense that it's something that really isn't necessary when someones just trying to put someone down like ' haha, my chemical romance....twat!!' (although reeeeallly ....mrc? *shudders*, in that instance it might be deserved) but there's reasoning as to why a lot of the mainstream AND altenative music of today can be considered to be absolute bollocks.

Rainard Jalen · 02-05-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

The original poster does make a good point, but to me, it's fairly obvious why people are so self righteous when it comes to music opinions. It's because people look around at the culture, and say, 'man that sucks,' We see so many things in day to day life that we just say that sucks, and we know it's wrong, and then we find out that some person who we think really sucks listens to Nickelback, and we say, "Ha, I've got you, I can prove you suck, because you listen to Nickelback." Everything done by the mainstream, whether just music, or daily behavior, I tend to see it sucks, and so I love being able to prove myself right when I'm able to say, "Ha, oh you listen to this music, that sucks, or oh, you like to shop, oh that sucks" It helps me feel vindicated.

If you dislike music, or anything for that matter, for such utterly shallow and inane reasons, I think you ought to realize that you suck.

TheUsed2lguy · 02-06-2008, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

If you dislike music, or anything for that matter, for such utterly shallow and inane reasons, I think you ought to realize that you suck.

Utterly shallow and inane reasons?
Nowhere in my post did I go into why I thought certain things sucked. Why make such a senseless post?

**jackhammer** · 02-07-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

well, let's look at the facts. much of the music in question is plainly:

- absolutely shameless in terms of redundancy and use of cliches either in melody, lyrics, chord progressions, instrumental arrangements and general sonic aesthetics; this is a fact, not a subjective observation. it can be shown empirically through gathering information/statistics and by comparison with other pop of the same sort. again: it is NOT some weird opinion that some pompous underground/indie dude invented. claims of redundancy, banality and creative bankruptcy are expressions of actual facts about the structure of the music itself. observable, verifyable phenomena.

- over-produced, so much so that it doesn't even qualify as great over-produced pop

If creativity really matters to a fan of music, the fact is they're not going to have any interest in the likes of Akon, Nickelback, and so on. the question of TASTE only goes so far as whether one's taste is for unoriginal innocuous uninspired pop, or for something a little more daring, risky, edgy and adventurous. Where one goes from that point on, is really down to plain fact.

This is a well written and concise post. However music has been like this for nearly 40 years. We will always find bigger and better music than the mainstream but we are in a minority and the sooner we get over that, the sooner we can get on and like the bands we like without mainstream yay or nay.

Halfa · 02-07-2008, 11:14 PM

when will music go back to mostly musicallity rather than persona.....

oh wait. i'm sorry that should be a rhetorical question.

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02-04-2008, 03:22 PM
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,664	well, let's look at the facts. much of the music in question is plainly: - absolutely shameless in terms of redundancy and use of cliches either in melody, lyrics, chord progressions, instrumental arrangements and general sonic aesthetics; this is a fact, not a subjective observation. it can be shown empirically through gathering information/statistics and by comparison with other pop of the same sort. again: it is NOT some weird opinion that some pompous underground/indie dude invented. claims of redundancy, banality and creative bankruptcy are expressions of actual facts about the structure of the music itself. observable, verifyable phenomena. - over-produced, so much so that it doesn't even qualify as great over-produced pop If creativity really matters to a fan of music, the fact is they're not going to have any interest in the likes of Akon, Nickelback, and so on. the question of TASTE only goes so far as whether one's taste is for unoriginal innocuous uninspired pop, or for something a little more daring, risky, edgy and adventurous. Where one goes from that point on, is really down to plain fact.

02-04-2008, 04:25 PM
littleknowitall Last of the Musicologists Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: swansea, wales, uk Posts: 1,478	Thankyou very much for furthering on my point (not sarcasm) __________________ My Myspace. My Bands Myspace - Please Show Some Love Here. My Youtube. My Ultimate Guitar.

02-04-2008, 09:42 PM
TheUsed2lguy Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: my truck Posts: 253	The original poster does make a good point, but to me, it's fairly obvious why people are so self righteous when it comes to music opinions. It's because people look around at the culture, and say, 'man that sucks,' We see so many things in day to day life that we just say that sucks, and we know it's wrong, and then we find out that some person who we think really sucks listens to Nickelback, and we say, "Ha, I've got you, I can prove you suck, because you listen to Nickelback." Everything done by the mainstream, whether just music, or daily behavior, I tend to see it sucks, and so I love being able to prove myself right when I'm able to say, "Ha, oh you listen to this music, that sucks, or oh, you like to shop, oh that sucks" It helps me feel vindicated.

02-05-2008, 07:26 AM
littleknowitall Last of the Musicologists Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: swansea, wales, uk Posts: 1,478	I agree with the original poster in the sense that it's something that really isn't necessary when someones just trying to put someone down like ' haha, my chemical romance....twat!!' (although reeeeallly ....mrc? shudders, in that instance it might be deserved) but there's reasoning as to why a lot of the mainstream AND altenative music of today can be considered to be absolute bollocks. __________________ My Myspace. My Bands Myspace - Please Show Some Love Here. My Youtube. My Ultimate Guitar.

02-07-2008, 11:14 PM
Halfa Allman Brothers Obsessor Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Whipping Post Posts: 138	when will music go back to mostly musicallity rather than persona..... oh wait. i'm sorry that should be a rhetorical question. __________________ "This all should come as no surprise You knew soon one day I would rise Give meat a chance and you will find There’s more to me than meat and eyes" -Early Man