Originally Posted by Wayfarer

^ There's why.

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Perhaps "accessibility" could be defined in terms of what the general populace find accessible. That would allow it to be slightly more restricted in what it may encompass. In that case, the most of us on these boards, the proggies of us, the metalheads of us, the indie-kids of us, the hardcore rap fans, whatever, the lot of us listen to very inaccessible music - and that is the dividing line between casual music listeners and very serious well-researched diehard niche music fans. We're not chart whores. We look for something more out of what we listen to. So we're automatically listening, all the time, to music that is plainly inaccessible to the rest of the population. Hell, even the slightly more mainstream indie stuff like TV On The Radio for example is absolutely unbearable to your average listener, even a person who might've been a big fan of music throughout the 60s/70s (like my dad).

I remember when I first started listening to "niche" music: the band was Tool. At the time, I thought it was the sort of thing that few people would be able to listen to. From the perspective of considering a lot of the stuff I listen to presently, Tool is pretty accessible by comparison. I suppose it really depends what the music is, and what it is being compared to. I mean, boo boo can't listen to Deerhoof at all. To me, Deerhoof is some of the most listenable indie I've come across. I think something like Deerhoof is an awful lot more listenable than the likes of Neu or Can (both of whom I also like).

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Has anyone mentioned Adult Themes for Voice by Mike Patton yet? I've owned that one since it first came out and though I love the idea that this album exists I bet I've only ever made it all the way through the thing twice in the past twelve years.

Also, Yes Sir, I Will by Crass is also a pretty tough listen. If you listen to bits and pieces of it, it doesn't sound like it would be, but the album as a whole feels like you're listening to the stuff that happened in between songs and they never got around to actually making the album.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

Crass was the precursor to modern political punk, and Yes Sir, I Will was the defining pinnacle of their career. They aren't much harder on the ears than any other hardcore punk act.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I dunno. Crass were very unique, not so much hard to digest but really strange. I consider Black Flag, Minor Threat, and Suicidal Tendencies my limits of punk music...