Any punk or folk fans fancy answering some questions?

The Batlord · 06-08-2017, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You're an idiot.

Why? Because musicians trying to tell everyone what's wrong with them, their country, and the world in general isn't a pointless exercise in stroking their own egos? Because people actually give a **** what musicians think?

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It's for the people because it's accessible to common musicians, not because it'll top the charts.

Common musicians aren't the people. The vast majority of the people have probably never been in a band or even spent more than five minutes trying to play an instrument.

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I think that brings hip hop into the mix of American folk music too.

Considering the amount of dunderheads I've met irl who fancy themselves rappers, or who just like to get high and freestyle poorly, yeah I could call hip hop "music for the people".

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And hang on, are you implying that punk and folk are entirely political? Just because Tristan dropped the p bomb doesn't mean it extends to the subject matter of those genres lol.

I was responding to Tristan, you muttonhead.

**Frownland** · 06-08-2017, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Common musicians aren't the people. The vast majority of the people have probably never been in a band or even spent more than five minutes trying to play an instrument.

Lol you keep on missing that point Chula. Point is that they're both readily accessible to anyone who wants to play it. Since it's the most available to the people, it is the people's music. But hurrdurr dey don't play punk on da radio so I'm rong on this.

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Considering the amount of dunderheads I've met irl who fancy themselves rappers, or who just like to get high and freestyle poorly, yeah I could call hip hop "music for the people".

Exactly. It barely takes anything to do it, and that factor is a lot more important to what were describing than straight up popularity or straw man arguments, Chula.

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I was responding to Tristan, you muttonhead.

I was talking about how being the proletariat doesn't mean that you sing about or even are aware of it.

The Batlord · 06-08-2017, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lol you keep on missing that point Chula. Point is that they're both readily accessible to anyone who wants to play it. Since it's the most available to the people, it is the people's music. But hurrdurr dey don't play punk on da radio so I'm rong on this.

And my point in general is that this is self-important hyperbole. Do you know who "the people" are? They're at the very least a majority of people. The majority of people don't care about your "people's music", and they don't care about making music in general. Aligning musicians with "the people" is just silly rhetoric by struggling musicians and people who masturbate while reading non-fiction music books.

It just sounds dumb basically.

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Exactly. It barely takes anything to do it, and that factor is a lot more important to what were describing than straight up popularity or straw man arguments, Chula.

Again, calling easy-to-make music "the people's" music is just musicians and Music Banter patting themselves on the back. Just because any ol' talentless wannabe can play "God Save the Queen" doesn't make it in any way relevant to them.

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I was talking about how being the proletariat doesn't mean that you sing about or even are aware of it.

I'm sorry where were you talking about this? I can't find it and don't feel like trying very hard.

**Frownland** · 06-08-2017, 12:26 PM

You're an idiot.

The Batlord · 06-08-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You're an idiot.

And we're all aware that you're a self-important chinstroker who wouldn't know "the people" if they threw beer bottles at you to stop you from playing your self-indulgent bore fest.

**Frownland** · 06-08-2017, 12:36 PM

At least I don't confuse ease of access with popularity lol. That's I repeatedly call you Chula, because you're compartmentalizing gross popularity (as in total, not yucky), instead of looking outside of that and the points that the people you're debating with are actually making.

Also note that my original point was folk music of the youth. Those people.

The Batlord · 06-08-2017, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

At least I don't confuse ease of access with popularity lol.

I understand your point perfectly well. But using "the people" as a term in this context is pseudo-intellectual bull****. Punk and folk are easy to play. Great. You don't need to artificially inflate the concept.

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Also note that my original point was folk music of the youth. Those people.

*only the musically inclined youth

**Frownland** · 06-08-2017, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I understand your point perfectly well. But using "the people" as a term in this context is pseudo-intellectual bull****. Punk and folk are easy to play. Great. You don't need to artificially inflate the concept.

Not just easy to play, cheap to create too. Punk music typically has a large locality to it, so that plays to the geographical element of folk music too. Plus, the thriving live scene that is arguably the most important element of punk music can be connected to the oral tradition typically associated with folk.

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*only the musically inclined youth

See when you say things like this y out make it apparent that you actually don't understand the point. The power distance between the artist and the fans is far smaller than most other genres, and THAT is the biggest driving factor to why I'd call punk music the folk of the youth*.

*folk music=music of the people=/=pop music

The Batlord · 06-08-2017, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Not just easy to play, cheap to create too. Punk music typically has a large locality to it, so that plays to the geographical element of folk music too. Plus, the thriving live scene that is arguably the most important element of punk music can be connected to the oral tradition typically associated with folk.

See when you say things like this y out make it apparent that you actually don't understand the point. The power distance between the artist and the fans is far smaller than most other genres, and THAT is the biggest driving factor to why I'd call punk music the folk of the youth*.

*folk music=music of the people=/=pop music

No, I do in fact understand your point, but you have this knee jerk, Chula-esque reaction to any point that touches on popularity that is the equal and opposite reaction of Chula. Forget the radio for a second. Who is punk and folk relevant to? Who actually plays punk and folk? How many of them do it? Are the youth who play punk anything more than an insular clique who will ever be relevant to the world at large in any meaningful way now that it is not 1977? It's just a genre of music that's easier to play than most. You can stop there. You don't have to come up with anything else.

**Frownland** · 06-08-2017, 01:03 PM

Do you think I've been talking about Americana? Folk is an ambiguous term that isn't inherently tied to a certain sound. That's why I pointed to hip hop as folk in the modern American tradition, and it's how I can extend that concept to punk music as well. Folk music will always exist as the music of the people, even if it sounds nothing like traditional American folk music.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	At least I don't confuse ease of access with popularity lol. That's I repeatedly call you Chula, because you're compartmentalizing gross popularity (as in total, not yucky), instead of looking outside of that and the points that the people you're debating with are actually making. Also note that my original point was folk music of the youth. Those people. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-08-2017, 01:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Do you think I've been talking about Americana? Folk is an ambiguous term that isn't inherently tied to a certain sound. That's why I pointed to hip hop as folk in the modern American tradition, and it's how I can extend that concept to punk music as well. Folk music will always exist as the music of the people, even if it sounds nothing like traditional American folk music. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x