Circle Takes the Square (favorite band, members, volume, shows, quote)

**sleepy jack** · 08-31-2007, 02:59 PM

When did everyone decide to start hating on Circle Takes the Square? Did they sell too many shirts or something?

bardonodude · 08-31-2007, 10:36 PM

I think it has to do with CTTS beginning to "sell out" and being the only popular true screamo band. So many people know about them and theyre so good that some people dont want to like them anymore merely because they seem to overshadow other extremely less popular bands...i.e. portrait

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN · 08-31-2007, 10:41 PM

those who think CTTS are sellouts/too commercial or whatever are generally those who have the "eliter-than-thou" feel to them.

xcassiusx · 08-31-2007, 10:49 PM

C.T.T.S. just doesnt seem overly pretenious and obnoxious, they smell of being overly pretenious and obnoxious in their music. I think it's pretty clear they seem to try for more intellectual aspects rather than intimate and emotional aspects.

Just because CTTS might have more epic constructed songs and intellectual poetic thoughts throughout their music doesnt make me like them more than Portrait.

Portrait IS really heart-felt and I cite them as one of the major influences for modern screamo. Plus Portrait can have some epic awesome beautiful build ups as well (listen to "north ebony" SERIOUSLY AWESOMENESS)
Best songs: (in no particular order)
"summer solstice"
"north ebony"
"missing the shore"
"constellations of a stargazing iris"

All beautiful well done songs with special parts in them. Summer Solstice could be possibly my favorite song by them, their 1:30 intro build up with the soft singing is just completely amazing, everything about it. North Ebony's 2:30 build up is genius and is very refreshing, which eventually leads us to Portrait's ability to pull off extremely intense moments while still mixing in beauty and emotion. The violent viola and the shreding guitar riffs with the double-kick bass drums stomping away. Missing The Shore is packed full of awesome lyric-lines and great music moments that is spine-tingling for myself. Continiously shouting aloud "love is not for me!" (2:17) This is another song you really gotta pay attention to, their guitarists can get overlooked due to their recording qualities but besides their passionate soft parts, they pull off some great heavy/shredding riffs. I'm really a sucker for a song at the last minute (3:20) And of course, Constellations Of A Stargazing Iris has to be one of thee earliest songs ever recorded with the signature emo/screamo parts where at the soft part/breakdown, the band goes crazy with just bursts of heartfelt screams (which seems more like a tradition with bands so often these past years, no wonder they're called such an influence for modern screamo)

swim · 08-31-2007, 11:17 PM

Sellouts? No fucking way. Overrated? Sure are but so what.

**sleepy jack** · 08-31-2007, 11:22 PM

I don't understand how anyone could call CTTS sells out when they havn't switched labels or anything like that and havn't released anything since as the roots undo. And last time I checked As the Roots Undo was the same album everyone here was cumming all over about two months ago.

Aside from that as far as overrated emo bands go, how come no one is bitching about Orchid? At least CTTS has a unique sound even if it is 'pretentious' and 'obnoxious'.

swim · 08-31-2007, 11:39 PM

CTTS is much bigger than Orchid and have released much less. I rip "popular" **** all the time. Not because it's popular. I listen to La Quiete almost every morning. I just find the other stuff much more interesting. And if you think I'm crazy for thinking that Saetia and CTTS are popular.

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**sleepy jack** · 08-31-2007, 11:48 PM

I never said either of them wasn't overrated, I just think Orchid gets alot of hype for nothing in the emo/hardcore scene. They were influential and all and deserve some respect, but they're boring as hell to listen to. I don't even like Saetia anymore so...

bardonodude · 09-01-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

I don't understand how anyone could call CTTS sells out when they havn't switched labels or anything like that and havn't released anything since as the roots undo. And last time I checked As the Roots Undo was the same album everyone here was cumming all over about two months ago.

Aside from that as far as overrated emo bands go, how come no one is bitching about Orchid? At least CTTS has a unique sound even if it is 'pretentious' and 'obnoxious'.

I dont think theyre selling out at all lol, Im just saying a lot of people probably think so just because theyre so popular. Everything they do is the same way that they have done it since their inception. They still do DIY tours, havent transferred over to a better label etc. I actually saw As The Roots Undo in my local best buy which was very surprising to me. I think that the lyrics of CTTS arent overly pretentious or anything at all. I praise them for having an intellectual tone while still having heartfelt parts, like in the nervous light of sunday. I think CTTS is still heartfelt but theyre a classic example of "showing and not telling."

I am amazed at how popular orchid was during the end of their career, mainly just looking at youtube videos of their shows. Orchid gets boring for me sometimes, and then other times I need to listen to them haha. Same thing with Saetia. IMHO, I agree with you crowquill on orchid getting a lot of hype in the emo/hardcore scene for no reason, it doesnt seem like any bands really capture any of Orchid's sound, it seems like they just name drop Orchid as an influence since they were a prime mover in the emo/hardcore scene. Orchid seems to be just a part of that scene and was a popular band that opened a door to other lesser known emo/hardcore bands to their fans. I guess that is a reason for them being influential after all haha. Time to go to work, laters.

Trauma · 09-01-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xcassiusx

C.T.T.S. just doesnt seem overly pretenious and obnoxious, they smell of being overly pretenious and obnoxious in their music. I think it's pretty clear they seem to try for more intellectual aspects rather than intimate and emotional aspects.

Word.
Also, that was a very good review of Portrait.

Circle Takes The Square aren't sellouts or anything like that, they're very popular because they're very good, and they were in the right place at the right time. Bands like Portrait circa 1996 who were arguably "better" than Circle Takes The Square just didn't have everything going for them at the right time.

My only problem with CTTS is exactly what cassius said. On top of that, they would probably be the biggest band (even more than Ampere) to say "We don't associate ourselves with emo or screamo, we are a combination of metal and punk rock, through and through". This is so ironic just because their sound is probably 100X more "emo" than Ampere, and you know Drew listens to a ****load of bands like City of Caterpillar, Saetia, and Pg. 99; their influence on the band is obvious. That pretense alone is infuriating.

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08-31-2007, 02:59 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,309	When did everyone decide to start hating on Circle Takes the Square? Did they sell too many shirts or something? __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

08-31-2007, 10:36 PM
bardonodude Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 528	I think it has to do with CTTS beginning to "sell out" and being the only popular true screamo band. So many people know about them and theyre so good that some people dont want to like them anymore merely because they seem to overshadow other extremely less popular bands...i.e. portrait

08-31-2007, 10:49 PM
xcassiusx Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 213	C.T.T.S. just doesnt seem overly pretenious and obnoxious, they smell of being overly pretenious and obnoxious in their music. I think it's pretty clear they seem to try for more intellectual aspects rather than intimate and emotional aspects. Just because CTTS might have more epic constructed songs and intellectual poetic thoughts throughout their music doesnt make me like them more than Portrait. Portrait IS really heart-felt and I cite them as one of the major influences for modern screamo. Plus Portrait can have some epic awesome beautiful build ups as well (listen to "north ebony" SERIOUSLY AWESOMENESS) Best songs: (in no particular order) "summer solstice" "north ebony" "missing the shore" "constellations of a stargazing iris" All beautiful well done songs with special parts in them. Summer Solstice could be possibly my favorite song by them, their 1:30 intro build up with the soft singing is just completely amazing, everything about it. North Ebony's 2:30 build up is genius and is very refreshing, which eventually leads us to Portrait's ability to pull off extremely intense moments while still mixing in beauty and emotion. The violent viola and the shreding guitar riffs with the double-kick bass drums stomping away. Missing The Shore is packed full of awesome lyric-lines and great music moments that is spine-tingling for myself. Continiously shouting aloud "love is not for me!" (2:17) This is another song you really gotta pay attention to, their guitarists can get overlooked due to their recording qualities but besides their passionate soft parts, they pull off some great heavy/shredding riffs. I'm really a sucker for a song at the last minute (3:20) And of course, Constellations Of A Stargazing Iris has to be one of thee earliest songs ever recorded with the signature emo/screamo parts where at the soft part/breakdown, the band goes crazy with just bursts of heartfelt screams (which seems more like a tradition with bands so often these past years, no wonder they're called such an influence for modern screamo)

08-31-2007, 11:17 PM
swim Everyone Does Everything. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,480	Sellouts? No fucking way. Overrated? Sure are but so what. __________________ Whatever it is you think you are, you're not a good friend, unique, well read, good looking or smart. Now you know.

08-31-2007, 11:22 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,309	I don't understand how anyone could call CTTS sells out when they havn't switched labels or anything like that and havn't released anything since as the roots undo. And last time I checked As the Roots Undo was the same album everyone here was cumming all over about two months ago. Aside from that as far as overrated emo bands go, how come no one is bitching about Orchid? At least CTTS has a unique sound even if it is 'pretentious' and 'obnoxious'. __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

08-31-2007, 11:39 PM
swim Everyone Does Everything. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,480	CTTS is much bigger than Orchid and have released much less. I rip "popular" ** all the time. Not because it's popular. I listen to La Quiete almost every morning. I just find the other stuff much more interesting. And if you think I'm crazy for thinking that Saetia and CTTS are popular. #5 Top Albums of 2004 - Rate Your Music In front of Elliott Smith, Say Anything, Sufjan Stevens, Iron & Wine, 65DoS, Rise Against, mewithoutYou and a lot of other bands that if I said were pretty popular I'd be surprised if there was any discussion about it. #29 Top Compilations of 2001 - Rate Your Music __________________ Whatever it is you think you are, you're not a good friend, unique, well read, good looking or smart. Now you know.**

08-31-2007, 11:48 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,309	I never said either of them wasn't overrated, I just think Orchid gets alot of hype for nothing in the emo/hardcore scene. They were influential and all and deserve some respect, but they're boring as hell to listen to. I don't even like Saetia anymore so... __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.