Emo Class (lyrics, alternative, hardcore, indie, metal)

~~Don~~ · 03-09-2006, 06:54 AM

I'm gonna stop being immature about this now. I just wanna say that it's not the end of the world that you or anyone were wrong and the only reason I resorted to childishness was because several people kept calling me an idiot and a moron, etc. In future, try to respect what others say when you think they're wrong, even if you think they have a hidden agenda. I do like making jokes and making light of situations whilst linking them with facts, but this is presumably unknown by most and seem to think I'm out to prove someone wrong for my own pleasure or whatever. I enjoy having a laugh above all, and I just happened to find it funny when someone resorts to name calling when they believe they're correct. So when I respond, all I'm doing is trying to joke around but at the same time trying my best to educate the misled. But this is a very difficult task because when some people think they have knowledge of a particular concept they will store a construct in their brain and it will almost never be changed. I don't like arguing in topics such as these, so hopefully this will be my last post on the matter.

DontRunMeOver · 03-09-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don

I never said emo is pop-punk, I said it's closely related to it, which it is. And I didn't cite any references because it was a play. But okay here's one:

http://wber.monroe.edu/EmoECYC.pdf

That's a really good link, thanks for putting it up. Sorry BungalowBill, but I think Don wins hands-down on the link and evidence side - as far as the debate goes. That guy from Rochester makes some really interesting points about expression and communicating feelings and its encouragement through musical styles. I've got to say that Bill's link wasn't so hot, the guy on that site answers his critics by complaining about spelling and grammar mostly, giving very little actual argument and CLEARLY using the straw-man technique of picking the worst mail to reply to, so that he doesn't need to actually present an argument.

A_Perfect_Sonnet · 03-09-2006, 10:44 AM

Sorry once again, but Don is wrong. Check the very first sentance of this "scholarly document".

Quote:

Emo, short for "emotional music"...

That statement, is blaringly inaccurate. The term emo is a nickname for the term emotionally driven hardcore punk. And you'll also notice he goes on to describe emo as a "look" as well as a general attitude when it is mearly just music.

The writer also fails to mention any actual emo bands, other than SDRE, but rather name drops mainstream pop-punk and pop-rock bands, with little actual involvement into the musical aspects, and rather than look at the actual music, mocks history by referring back to his miseducated thesis. Both Don and this "scholar" are incorrect in their statements, negating whatever they were trying to get across.

Stone Magnet · 03-09-2006, 10:49 AM

Emo sucks.

**Urban Hatemonger** · 03-09-2006, 10:58 AM

I think there is a lot more truth in this than people are prepared to admit.

One of the things I have noticed about the emo education thread is that there is very little of it saying how emo became the mainstream phenomenon it did.

5 or 6 years ago I can remember vividly bands like Weezer , Sunny Day Real Estate , The Get Up Kids , Rival Schools & and bands such as that being classified as bringing the genre into the mainstream.Now i`m not saying those band ARE emo , but their popularity & success certainly helped emo be as popular as it is now and I don`t see anybody suggesting any 'real' emo bands in their place as far as mainstream success goes. I guess you could look at it as the effect Green Day had on the mainstream as far as punk goes.You can argue all you like about them being a punk band or not the fact is they bought it to mainstream attention in the early - mid 90s.

Somewhere along the line , something happened to get an obscure 80s hardcore band like Rites Of Spring to become the catalyst of an entire movement to the stereotypical picture today of what an emo kid is. And so far Don is the only person i`ve seen try to explain how it happened , so instead of bitching about him saying what he did may I suggest someone tries to amend the emo education thread to say HOW emo became mainsteam 7 or 8 years ago.

littleknowitall · 03-09-2006, 11:33 AM

haha, this amuses me although i can't understand why how someone may catagorise a band incorrectly has become such a big issue, i mean with so many new styles of music its really hard to tell what the ****s what these days anyway. absolutely ridiculous how some of you people are so stubborn, i refuse to take sides as i generally don't think im familiar enough with the definition of emo, mainly because i don't spend most of my time sitting in the house trying to fully understand why this is classed as that and so on, im too busy creating my own genre, demonic psycho-fusion ....core. a blend of music so powerfull its been known to cause multiple orgasms to the extent in which it can lead to heart and kidney faliure in later life, and possibly leave some of you weaker minded people twitching in a fusion coma, but its still in the works im afraid, and i just don't think your all quite ready for it just yet, but just you wait....you'll see....god i dont half prat on about bollocks

**Urban Hatemonger** · 03-09-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moley

im too busy creating my own genre, demonic psycho-fusion ....core. a blend of music so powerfull its been known to cause multiple orgasms to the extent in which it can lead to heart and kidney faliure in later life, and possibly leave some of you weaker minded people twitching in a fusion coma, but its still in the works im afraid, and i just don't think your all quite ready for it just yet, but just you wait....you'll see....god i dont half prat on about bollocks

Send us some when you`re done

littleknowitall · 03-09-2006, 11:39 AM

i gotta warn you i played some of my new stuff to my cat and it died....no kidding, really, infection in the brain related to a faliure in his liver/ kidneys i think it was.

**sleepy jack** · 03-09-2006, 12:04 PM

Emotional music? So with your ridiculous definition, Beethoven, Joy Division, Poison, Barry Manilow, and Britney Spears are/was "emo bands." Alot of bands make music to illicit emotion, which would make "emotional" a completely all-encompassing genre from classical to opera to pop to rap. So basically according to your logic, nearly every power ballad is basically an emo song and as A_Perfect_Sonnet says, that pretty much ruins the whole thing. The whole article is pretty moronic. I own all the used albums, and just because a band has emo influences, doesn't mean they're emo. Because according to that logic, my music is now electronica because I take lyrical influences from Ben Gibbard, i'm also whatever the hell genre bright eyes is, because I take vocal influences from him. I happen to own both the Used albums so assuming i've never heard them is stupid, they we're one of my favorite bands for along time. The whole article is pretty sketchy, it really doesn't give anything on the actual sound of a band. Because according to that sexo should be a genre, cause there are plenty of artists that sing about sex right?

**Urban Hatemonger** · 03-09-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill

Emotional music? So with your ridiculous definition, Beethoven, Joy Division, Poison, Barry Manilow, and Britney Spears are/was "emo bands."

But none of those bands contributed into emo becoming as mainstream as it is now , the ones he mentioned did.

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03-09-2006, 06:54 AM
~~Don~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 646	I'm gonna stop being immature about this now. I just wanna say that it's not the end of the world that you or anyone were wrong and the only reason I resorted to childishness was because several people kept calling me an idiot and a moron, etc. In future, try to respect what others say when you think they're wrong, even if you think they have a hidden agenda. I do like making jokes and making light of situations whilst linking them with facts, but this is presumably unknown by most and seem to think I'm out to prove someone wrong for my own pleasure or whatever. I enjoy having a laugh above all, and I just happened to find it funny when someone resorts to name calling when they believe they're correct. So when I respond, all I'm doing is trying to joke around but at the same time trying my best to educate the misled. But this is a very difficult task because when some people think they have knowledge of a particular concept they will store a construct in their brain and it will almost never be changed. I don't like arguing in topics such as these, so hopefully this will be my last post on the matter.

03-09-2006, 10:49 AM
Stone Magnet Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Keswick, Ontario Posts: 735	Emo sucks. __________________ Lock to field screen, row the ocean onto sentient ground. New rites of a Vedic sun to attend the blue horizon. Prevails flight resplendent, sails the shrine effulgent windship. Stillness breathes apex supreme - I walk toward the mountain. Crowns the sovereic rite to freedom. Shored the origin forms to a ground accede. Axiom core of the light shrine flight to shining. Glows serene to attenuate the space and time.

03-09-2006, 11:33 AM
littleknowitall Pow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Swansea, Wales, UK. Posts: 1,498	haha, this amuses me although i can't understand why how someone may catagorise a band incorrectly has become such a big issue, i mean with so many new styles of music its really hard to tell what the ****s what these days anyway. absolutely ridiculous how some of you people are so stubborn, i refuse to take sides as i generally don't think im familiar enough with the definition of emo, mainly because i don't spend most of my time sitting in the house trying to fully understand why this is classed as that and so on, im too busy creating my own genre, demonic psycho-fusion ....core. a blend of music so powerfull its been known to cause multiple orgasms to the extent in which it can lead to heart and kidney faliure in later life, and possibly leave some of you weaker minded people twitching in a fusion coma, but its still in the works im afraid, and i just don't think your all quite ready for it just yet, but just you wait....you'll see....god i dont half prat on about bollocks __________________ My Myspace. My Bands Myspace - Please Show Some Love Here. My Youtube. My Ultimate Guitar.

03-09-2006, 11:39 AM
littleknowitall Pow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Swansea, Wales, UK. Posts: 1,498	i gotta warn you i played some of my new stuff to my cat and it died....no kidding, really, infection in the brain related to a faliure in his liver/ kidneys i think it was. __________________ My Myspace. My Bands Myspace - Please Show Some Love Here. My Youtube. My Ultimate Guitar.

03-09-2006, 12:04 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,369	Emotional music? So with your ridiculous definition, Beethoven, Joy Division, Poison, Barry Manilow, and Britney Spears are/was "emo bands." Alot of bands make music to illicit emotion, which would make "emotional" a completely all-encompassing genre from classical to opera to pop to rap. So basically according to your logic, nearly every power ballad is basically an emo song and as A_Perfect_Sonnet says, that pretty much ruins the whole thing. The whole article is pretty moronic. I own all the used albums, and just because a band has emo influences, doesn't mean they're emo. Because according to that logic, my music is now electronica because I take lyrical influences from Ben Gibbard, i'm also whatever the hell genre bright eyes is, because I take vocal influences from him. I happen to own both the Used albums so assuming i've never heard them is stupid, they we're one of my favorite bands for along time. The whole article is pretty sketchy, it really doesn't give anything on the actual sound of a band. Because according to that sexo should be a genre, cause there are plenty of artists that sing about sex right? __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.