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Old 07-30-2015, 04:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jazz is by some considered classical, and by others popular music, so I what are your thoughts on this subject?
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Old 07-30-2015, 04:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jazz is considered bluegrass.
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Generally, no those are two different genres, but they have crossed paths.

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Old 09-01-2015, 12:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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For me the Art Ensemble of Chicago fall into the classical slot even if I buy their work from 'Jazz'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMcRuh8O74

Dave Brubeck was fresh out of classical training when he produced his best work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFbOE5GuiBE

Some of the great practitioners of Jazz like Gillespie, Bird and Monk were very aware of classical composers like Schoenberg and Bartok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeM0JMgj358

On the other side there are pieces like Milhaud's Le Boeuf sur la Toit and Pierrot Lunaire by Schoenberg that presage developments in Jazz, but most like Shostakovich and Stravinsky failed entire to grasp it.

Despite some of the really great musicians of all time being Jazz people overall there are rigid constraints in mainstream Jazz that do not exist in the Classical tradition. My father was a semi-pro jazz pianist and I'm trying to remember what they were. Something about not moving from the rhythmic and harmonic base of the original theme?

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Old 09-01-2015, 01:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far away.....

Classical was Classical.
Jazz was Jazz.
Gospel was Gospel.
Bluegrass was Bluegrass.
Country was Country.
Blues was Blues.
Ragtime was Ragtime.
Pop was Pop.

Then someone threw a party and all the genres showed up, got ridiculously hammered, and started an epic all night orgy out behind the barn.

It's been a complete cluster **** ever since.
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Charles Mingus is another example of an artist doing jazz/classical crossover with his album Let My Children Hear Music.
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Old 11-04-2015, 06:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Hi,

I would say both.
Early jazz pianists learned piano with classical methods, and therefore were inspired with european classical music (like vienna waltz i think). But at this time the jazz was popular music to dance.
I think in the 40's, it became more elitist with bebop and so people couldn't dance on it anymore as it was very fast.
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No. Why would you consider it a different genre than jazz? Jazz is jazz.
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Old 11-04-2015, 06:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re the "crossover" etc. comments, third stream, fusion, ECM style, etc. are considered subgenres of jazz (despite Gunther Schuller's and others objections re third stream--conventionally it's treated as a jazz subgenre).

Re Art Ensemble of Chicago, a lot of their stuff, especially their earlier stuff, was free improv under a jazz rubric. Arguably some free improv wouldn't fall under jazz, but that's arguable.

And on the other side, Copland's Music for the Theatre (which has a heavy jazz influence), Four Piano Blues, etc., Stravinsky's Ragtime, etc. are considered classical.
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