Fal

Sorry but how are they meant to hit a politically symbolic target? They'd be shot first, which would just chalk one up to the Israelis.

Extremely heavy handed? You mean in the same way that Hiroshima and Nagisaki were extremely heavy handed? "Collateral damage"? Stalin had similar opinions on human life, people don't stick up for him ...

Muzak Geek

Ok - first of all… I did not suggest that they actually go out and look for a politically symbolic target to destroy - As I said before, violence hasn't gotten the Palestinians anywhere, and it's foolish of them and their government to think that it ever will. In other words, I was merely suggesting that if the Palestinians intentions are to, as you suggested, bring attention to their cause, that blowing up children is probably not going to garner them any votes of sympathy throughout the world… especially in the Western half - although apparently by doing so, they've won over a fan in yourself.

And for you to compare the dropping of the A-bomb to Israel's reactions against the Palestinians is just ludicrous. I suspect that you're smarter than that to make such broad analogies that have no basis of fact. According to your logic, I suppose that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because they wanted to "make a statement".

Look - I'm not "sticking up" for Israel here… I've said before that I think both sides share the blame; However, please don't demean your own argument with such generalizations as the ones you attempted to voice above.

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Fal

Actually, as I gather it Japan did. If memory serves me correctly the US had a trade embargo on all Japanese imports and exports, which Japan wasn't very happy about ...

My point is that heavy handedness is inexcusable no matter what end you attempt to achieve, because it ****s over the innocent far more than it does the guilty.

I'm not a fan of Hamas, but I'd rather Palestine than Israel no problem. I'm not going to stick up for a nation just because their grandpappy got ****ed over by Nazis - if it were an Arab country it would have been brought down by now. Next time you hear of a suicide bomber prick your ears up and do some digging. Find out why that person resorted to killing themselves and otherse. They were provided with the means by total pricks, but the bombers themselves? People who have suffered countless hardships at the hands of the IDF and other illegally intrusive Israeli systems. If it were simply a case of hating Israelis you really think they'd blow themselves up at the same time? Surely they'd want the satisfaction of seeing the looks on the faces of people as they did it? No, they do it out of frustration and desperation. It takes a lot to drive a person that far. Israel=Terrorism.

Muzak Geek

Yes - there was a trade embargo on Japan… because they attempted to take over China, Russia, and anyone else that was within their reach - Not because we just didn't like them as people.

The reason that the Palestinians blow themselves up, and not watch from a safe distance, is because of the system of terrorism that Palestine has instituted - Where the families of these terrorists are given money and high status or regard as relatives of a fallen "martyr", combined with the fact that these bombers believe that they are given a special place in heaven for committing such acts. This also explains why, when a terrorist's mission fails, that they and their families are viewed as failures, and shunned for not carrying out the will of Palestine and it's people.

I'm not saying that the people who are committing these acts haven't suffered - But I sincerely wish that they would realise that causing the same amount of suffering to the Israleis will never get them what they want - And the fact that they fail to see that, is why I believe that their vision and purpose has been blurred to the point where, it doesn't matter anymore what comes of their terrorist acts - so long as Israelies die in the process. And that to me, is a sad, sad existence that must be changed.

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SittingBehindYou

Haven't seen the movie... never planned to but I might.

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adidasss

you don't seem to be understanding, negotiations don't work with jews....they respond only to violence....

i believe the palestinians are getting what they wanted, they have made israel so insecure that the public opinion has changed, they have had enough, now all they want is peace and are villing to make concessions.....something they were unwilling to do before....

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Wow, Gideon Levy makes several good points, but "easier said than done." I saw a documentary on the subject a few years back, many people in the audience (including myself) became very emotional. It's a very messy issue, to say the least.
In terms of Hamas, they're ideologically against the existence of Israel, as are many prolific groups and figures in the Middle East. America's support of Israel is, in my opinion, one of the major underlying reasons for the attacks on 9/11. I'm currently seeing the U.S. putting the Hamas authority and the Iranian authority on the spot, in terms of recognizing Israel. I can see where this is going.