The 9/11 Report (Whip, Whip)

IamAlejo · 07-24-2004, 10:34 AM

It has some interesting stuff in there. One of the most notable things I've heard is that it talks about Clinton's National Security Advisor. This is the same NSA that is reported to have shoved classified documents down his pockets during Clinton's Presidency. But the most interesting bit of news is that on four seperate occasions the CIA came to the NSA when they had the location of Osama Bin Laden. All four times the NSA decided to take no action. So during Clinton's presidency, not only could he have taken Hussein out, but he could have also taken out Bin Laden. Hind sight is 20/20.

jibber · 07-25-2004, 01:52 AM

^ yep, i read about that in a book a few months ago, clinton screwed up big time.

ffmariners · 07-30-2004, 02:14 AM

when clinton was presented with these "we know where osama is!!" he was also presented with a lot of doubt. they could not confirm exact locations, they knew the vicinity in which he was in. they knew *around* what time it would be.. they were *hoping* the sources were real... they had no unilateral support...

a screw up there could have meant global whip lash
he did what he could, he got rid of one evil man, milosevic...
he left sadaam for bush
and osama will be for kerry...

2tonelol · 08-05-2004, 05:29 PM

There is always the view that he thought he was doing best leaving the situation alone.
If you take people like Bin Laden and Hussein out,you sometimes make them a martyr,then the backlash is worse.

jibber · 08-05-2004, 11:31 PM

^ that is a good point, anyway, clinton may have made the situation worse, it might have been worse if he hadn't left it, we don't know. I was thinking about this, and really, is there any point on debating what could have happened, or what shuld have happened? bin laden attacked the us, bush went to war (for good or bad, this topic has already been completely exhausted, lets not have another debate on this). Now the most important thing to do is to figure out how to clean up the mess that has been made, because no-one can argue that the situation in iraq is not a complete mess.

IamAlejo · 08-06-2004, 01:44 PM

I still don't believe that. A majority of the funding comes from Bin Laden. He is like the backbone of the terrorists, and it would have been great to get him out. Hussein would have saved a lot of trouble that we are going through now. The idea to go in Iraq was a great one. I am disappointed in the lack of thought about the period after takeover. But I still believe it would have been better to take them out during that period.

ffmariners · 08-06-2004, 02:41 PM

our economy would have crashed even harder going directly from e-boom butter market to a gun market

(butter = consumer)
(guns = military/govt)

jibber · 08-06-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

I still don't believe that. A majority of the funding comes from Bin Laden. He is like the backbone of the terrorists, and it would have been great to get him out. Hussein would have saved a lot of trouble that we are going through now. The idea to go in Iraq was a great one. I am disappointed in the lack of thought about the period after takeover. But I still believe it would have been better to take them out during that period.

i wasn't debating weather or not bush should have gone into iraq, that's already been discussed in A LOT of previous threads, I was simply saying that the situation is a mess now, and cleaning that up should be the main priority right now, not trying to find out who is to blame for 9/11

IamAlejo · 08-06-2004, 05:59 PM

The US is worried about preventing more terrorist attacks, as they should be. And anytime war breaks out the economy will be boosted. That's just common sense.

ffmariners · 08-07-2004, 12:51 PM

not when the war isnt justified, and that, my friend, is common sense.

in a war such as world war II where the country believes in the cause, they will buy war bonds and support the economy throughout the war.

in a war such as the current one where the administration lied and has no widespread support people will not buy war bonds, have pro-us rallies, and support the war

and that leads us to our current economy and why it sucks so bad

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07-24-2004, 10:34 AM
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,210	The 9/11 Report It has some interesting stuff in there. One of the most notable things I've heard is that it talks about Clinton's National Security Advisor. This is the same NSA that is reported to have shoved classified documents down his pockets during Clinton's Presidency. But the most interesting bit of news is that on four seperate occasions the CIA came to the NSA when they had the location of Osama Bin Laden. All four times the NSA decided to take no action. So during Clinton's presidency, not only could he have taken Hussein out, but he could have also taken out Bin Laden. Hind sight is 20/20. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

07-25-2004, 01:52 AM
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 1,324	^ yep, i read about that in a book a few months ago, clinton screwed up big time. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

07-30-2004, 02:14 AM
ffmariners Groupie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 12	when clinton was presented with these "we know where osama is!!" he was also presented with a lot of doubt. they could not confirm exact locations, they knew the vicinity in which he was in. they knew around what time it would be.. they were hoping the sources were real... they had no unilateral support... a screw up there could have meant global whip lash he did what he could, he got rid of one evil man, milosevic... he left sadaam for bush and osama will be for kerry... __________________ Join the Revolution!

08-05-2004, 05:29 PM
2tonelol looking long'n'hard Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampton London Posts: 166	There is always the view that he thought he was doing best leaving the situation alone. If you take people like Bin Laden and Hussein out,you sometimes make them a martyr,then the backlash is worse. __________________ Jesus is coming!!!! Look Busy!!!! http://liquidator.mysite.freeserve.com/

08-05-2004, 11:31 PM
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 1,324	^ that is a good point, anyway, clinton may have made the situation worse, it might have been worse if he hadn't left it, we don't know. I was thinking about this, and really, is there any point on debating what could have happened, or what shuld have happened? bin laden attacked the us, bush went to war (for good or bad, this topic has already been completely exhausted, lets not have another debate on this). Now the most important thing to do is to figure out how to clean up the mess that has been made, because no-one can argue that the situation in iraq is not a complete mess. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

08-06-2004, 01:44 PM
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,210	I still don't believe that. A majority of the funding comes from Bin Laden. He is like the backbone of the terrorists, and it would have been great to get him out. Hussein would have saved a lot of trouble that we are going through now. The idea to go in Iraq was a great one. I am disappointed in the lack of thought about the period after takeover. But I still believe it would have been better to take them out during that period. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

08-06-2004, 02:41 PM
ffmariners Groupie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 12	our economy would have crashed even harder going directly from e-boom butter market to a gun market (butter = consumer) (guns = military/govt) __________________ Join the Revolution!

08-06-2004, 05:59 PM
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,210	The US is worried about preventing more terrorist attacks, as they should be. And anytime war breaks out the economy will be boosted. That's just common sense. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

08-07-2004, 12:51 PM
ffmariners Groupie Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 12	not when the war isnt justified, and that, my friend, is common sense. in a war such as world war II where the country believes in the cause, they will buy war bonds and support the economy throughout the war. in a war such as the current one where the administration lied and has no widespread support people will not buy war bonds, have pro-us rallies, and support the war and that leads us to our current economy and why it sucks so bad __________________ Join the Revolution!