TheUsed2lguy

Ever since Ronald Reagan took office, our economic politics have been reverting back to a more capitalist, even laissez faire capitalist state. The result has been a decaying middle class. Of course, we still have plenty of people making $50,000 - $100,000, but the cultural dynamics that go along with extreme capitalism is extreme consumerism. So, the major corporations, which also control the media, have driven us to material excesses, even threatening to make us feel inadequate if we didn't own certain products.

The solution to this would be to revert back to a more balanced mix of capitalism and socialism, that we enjoyed from the administrations of FDR up to Jimmy Carter. Most people think that our economy was suffering badly under Carter, however Reagan only managed to boost it through bilking funds out of retiree's social security funds, in order to cook the books.

The prospect that makes this so threatening is the fact that even so called 'liberals' are usually in the pockets of big corporations just as much as Republicans. Even Clinton continued Reagan's policy of fabricating economic numbers, and bilking social security. I can't help but feel betrayed by all politicians, because they have seen this economic shift taking place over the last 3 decades, and no one seems to care.

We are to believe that the Republicans keep us safe, and Democrats look out for our interests, however the only difference I see in the 2 parties is a difference in advertising. Republicans-anti abortion, Democrats-pro choice, Republicans-reformed health care, Democrats-universal health care. They take different positions, but the reason you see politicians flip flop so much is merely to climatize themselves to fit the needs of ever changing public opinion. They just want power. They just want to get in office, and keep in the pockets of the big corporations. If the Democrats were any different than the Republicans, then they would have voted down spending for the war when they took the House and the Senate in '06, and brought our troops home.

Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers, believed that Reformation to the Constitution was necessary, even possibly implenting a total upheaval of policies every 25 years or so. I've recently heard many people talking about a revolution needing to take place. Clearly, this is along the same lines with Reformation, however with Reformation, our faith put in the hands of those who implement policies and run the country. However, if they continue to fail us, a revolution might be the only way. Thoughts?

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mr dave

so following a revolution how should a government actually work?

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Thoughts?

Well After McGovern said Reagan would raise taxes because he had to save the country economiclly, he cut the taxes again and it lead to an economic boom.

No one I know is talking about a revolution. Half the people don't vote, their not going to revolt, they don't ****ing care.

Social Security isn't milked by the executive, it was used as a bail out for failed legislative policies and Reagan actually bailed out Social Security.

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So why are capitalism and people succeeding via wealth a bad thing?

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TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Well because the only people who oppose tax increases are millionaires. No one in their blue collar 30k-50k tax bracket would ever be against more taxes going to a government agency to be misaportioned.

Success is bad, especially if its a business. Anyone who has more than three chains should be segmented as a monopoly. We are not to congratulate good customer service and competitive prices.

Capitalism was created by satan. If the government hadn't given us Hybrid Cars and Whole Foods I don't know where we'd be. Thank Allah for government huh?....ass.

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We don't even have a pure capitalist society.

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mr dave

because man, they're not sharing man, with other people man, who would rather sit on their couches all day man, and whine about how society should be. you know? it's should be right man. it should be fair for everyone man. they're hoarding everything and forcing all of us to work as wage slaves man. they're keeping us down man. they're pumping chemicals into the sky to make us stupid so we work menial labour jobs man. all so they can get the high score at money man. it's not fair man.

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theused2lguy is an idiot, but so are you, funny how that works out huh? Just so you know, most of the people classed as living below the poverty line ARE working full time jobs, and yet they can't make ends meet. This is where certain government subsidies should come in, or on the flip side, raise the minimum wage so that people can actually make a living when they work 60+ hours a week. More so, a lot of the tax breaks in recent years have been for big corporations, you explain to me how that is helping the 50-100K worker? trickle down economics do NOT work for the majority of people, especially in the market today when so many of those jobs supposedly created by the success of the companies who are getting the tax breaks are being outsourced.

on the note of drug use. addiction is not something they can just snap out of, if they could quit, they would. obviously. a drug addiction alters you brain chemistry and ruins your capacity to function normally, think straight, and generally live any kind of productive life. Again, this is where I think some government funded programs should go to. offer to send them to rehab facilities instead of locking them up and wasting tax dollars just delaying a problem instead of fixing it.

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