Civic Depreciator

Won't you for being an atheist as well?

The Unfan

The person ignoring the non-existent relationship in favor of actually looking for facts.

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Feehan-Fan

You are sort of there...Sort of


If we were to assume God exists;

* A benevolent all-knowing God only has one option in any situation which is the option that causes most good. Therefore an all knowing God has no free will.

* Since God is omnipotent, he knows even before something happens what he will do in that situation. He is unable to then change what he will do, like the above point this proves he has no free will. A being who has no free will cannot make morally correct decisions. God has no morals.

* If God was all good he would have created a Universe that would also be full of good.

* Since God is omnipotent, even before creating Satan as an angel he would have realised that he was going to turn bad. God therefore intentionally created a being full of evil.

* Babies who die go to heaven, therefore there is no essential point of life, or no essential reason that we have to go through suffering.


The Bible & Christianity in general

* Christianity grew out of a mixture of Mithraism, Judaism and Roman sun God worship.

- *"During the 1st century BC, a cult of Mithra, made much progress in Rome, after enduring persecution, when some Emperors adopted the religion... Mithra became very popular among the Roman legionaries and later even among the Emperors. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun. Emperor Diocletian also a worshipper of Mithra, the Sun God, burned much of the Christian scriptures in 307 A.D.

This enabled Emperor Constantine to merge the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing much. He declared himself a Christian but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. He retained the title "Pontifus Maximus" the high priest. On his coins were inscribed: "Sol Invicto comiti" which means, commited to the invincible sun. This new blend of the two faiths, he officially proclaimed as Christianity. Christianity spread all over the Roman empire and Eastern Europe by massive persecution and brought and end to a variety of religions that flourished there. [...]

Until the fourth century, Mithra and Christianity were distinct but after Constantine, the two cults were blended to form the new faith that was to conquer most of the world."

*In the second and third centuries there were Christians who believed in one God. There were also others who believed that there were two. Some said there were a dozen, some thirty........

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God being all powerful;

* If God exists for a logical reason then logic was created before God, is more powerful than God and restricts him.

* If God however is existing for no logical reason, the universe is probably too. Therefore t'would require no creator.

* Why would an all powerful and GOOD being create paradise then give us a set of rules to follow to get into it while giving no actual proof of it existing? Seems like the work of an evil being taking on the form of a good one.



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Inuzuka Skysword

Why would ignoring data be more logical? I don't understand...

The Unfan

There is no data that supports a deity's existence. So the real question is, why create fake data in your head?

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Billabong01

To the OP: I love it when atheist's like you bitch and moan over other religions and complain that religions force their views upon other people, but what are you doing right now? You are telling everyone who believes in god that he does not exist and it is stupid to even do so. So who is the bad guy here? I see here a self contradicting moron who seems to be doing the exact same things as the people he despises and has yet to provide anything worthy of an argument. I suggest you do your homework a little more, and be a little more opened minded on situations such as this, because your argument failed from the start. (I'm Atheist btw.)

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Inuzuka Skysword

That isn't what I am saying though. I am talking about examining the relationship between anything where you can't prove it's existence, but you can't disprove its existence.

The Unfan

Assume neither and do an unbiased study.

Three points to address. First I agree the argument failed because it didn't make any valid points.

Second "forcing" atheism doesn't work on a political spectrum. Of course you can't literally force anyone to believe anything so politically forcing would involve enforcing policies and ideaologies, right? Well atheism is secular and without inherent policy or idea. If you force secularism all you've effectively done is force the right for them to believe whatever they want and practice it within reason. If you force any religion you've taken those freedoms away.

Lastly it isn't harmful to educate people and provide proof of where they're wrong and why they're wrong. Being open to education is a good thing. We should challenge all faiths openly. Intelligence is a good thing and we shouldn't shy away from it.

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Inuzuka Skysword

I didn't say to assume anything. I said that the relationship should be explored.

ProggyMan

But you don't have to devote your life to religion.

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