Double X

I just meant general west. Almost everyone is west of my town.

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COBHCNick

I am an avid, avid Obama supporter. Phone calls, campaigning, all that stuff. I've read both of his books...I just love the guy.

In fact, it disgusts me and scares me that McCain actually has a chance at winning. People actually want a guy who sang "Bomb Iran" to run the country?

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JayJamJah

There will be no difference between Obama and McCain

Obama has turned 180 degrees since 2006 when he seemed like a different type of candidate.

COBHCNick

Not true, thats what the media would have you think. Show me any one specific part of his platform he has changed since then, and almost everytime you can find one, there is a completely legit thought out reason for why he would alter his platform. The whole 'flip flop' thing is ridiculous. Bush never 'flip flopped' once...look where that got us. The fact of the matter is intelligent people think things out and constantly re-evaluate and refine their beliefs, and aren't afraid to adapt them to the ever changing situations throughout the world.

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JayJamJah

How about his stance of religion. 2006 on his podcast "There is no place for personal faith in government"

2008 shortly before clinching votes for nomination: "I will consult my faith before every decision I make, right and right and wrong is wrong..."

If you've followed him as long as I have you'd notice a distinct change. he does not even do the podcast anymore. Every word is so carefully chosen, so insincere. Name one thing that will be different if he becomes president.

COBHCNick

Because you believe that personal faith has no place in government, doesn't mean you should entirely abandon your beliefs and become an atheist. The difference between Obama and Bush is that, Obama knows where to draw the line. He won't make faith-based policies. I'm sure he looks to his beliefs when making a decision that will effect hundreds of millions of lives, and I think thats profoundly different than invited the Pope to come hang out at the white house like Bush did. I've been following Obama since 04, and actually really wanted him to run then because I felt Kerry was so weak. But of course, Obama's inexperience wouldve stopped him dead in his tracks there. And yes his words now are carefully chosen...they have to be. You know how the politics game is, I've still seen conservatives jerking off to Obama saying he's been to 57 states. One. Simple. Mistake. And they eat it up.

And if I have to name one thing that will be different, then theres really no point whatsoever in trying to talk to you about it because nothing I say is going to change your mind.

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JayJamJah

For arguments sake, name one thing that will change...

Also please cite a faith based policy implemented by George Bush

I am not trying to be snide, I ask these questions all the time and rarely get answers.

I don't see anything wrong with supporting Obama, I just don't think he's any different then any other presidential candidate, he tells people what they want to hear and his loyalties lie with those who give his campaign and his party the most money. Would you dispute that?

COBHCNick

In July 2001 President Bush pushed for legislation which would allow faith-based groups to recieve public funding. As for one that would be different with Obama, socialized healthcare is a pretty big one. And if you don't believe that, look at what he wants to do with Iraq. If all goes according to plan, we'll be looking at a withdraw in the forseeable future. As opposed to McCains '100 years of Iraq'. I would dispute that, yes. I believe Barack Obamas plans happen to be what a big part of America happens to what to hear due to the past 7 and a half years. I really don't believe he's playing to the choir and a pretty big evidence of that is the fact that he's not accepting donations from special interest groups. His loyalties lie to America. He's even said that he wants to bring back an era of bipartisanship and said he will have republician members in his cabinet. I have no doubt in my mind he will have at least one. At the end of the day he has his policital ideas and he is a democrat, but he's even said that he recognizes that the other side has a point sometimes.

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JayJamJah

I admire your faith and commitment, needless to say I am a bit skeptical, if Obama promises and delivers on a removal from Iraq I'll be thrilled, and then I'll eat my hat.

Socialized health care is an awful idea (where do you think that money comes from) in my opinion and I think Obama is smart enough to agree, but he does need to sound like he supports it to energize his liberal base. At some point people need to be held accountable for their decisions. All that aside, I'll gurgitate another cap if it happens during his terms.

matious

who was the last candidate you were actually somewhat impressed by jay?