Wayfarer

Guys

Chill.

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Inuzuka Skysword

This is a debate. If you don't want to, then don't post.

Wayfarer

Sorry. I smoked way too much goddamn pot today.

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Double X

My dad makes 80k and my mom makes 110k ish (I think)...but we live in a colonial house house with 2 bedrooms (I share a room with my bro) and my parents are always donating to our food pantry in our town, american cancer society, and the salvation army. I can honestly say everything my parents do they do as cheaply as possible, they don't buy extravagant things at all. I have had to buy my own things by working a job when I turned 14. I bet (don't know for sure though) they work for a long time and still donate money to the salvation army (they always donate to that a ton). And they ALWAYS support raising taxes even if it hurts them. Because it helps other people more than it would help us.

And you talk about my ideas like I am going to peoples houses at gunpoint and stealing their life savings, I simply want higher taxes, especially the ridiculously rich.

But it's okay to call me hypocrite (as if that matters in the argument) because you know me real well.

If we let people live on their own, what point is there for the government? They don't make any money without taxes anyways? They couldn't support an army defend our country.

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Inuzuka Skysword

So? My point is that until you have given everything, including your life, you don't care enough.

You are talking about using aggression to get someone else's property, which is what taxes do, and use it towards something to support someone you care about. So, while you may not be stealing there life savings, it is technically stealing.

My point is to show you that you don't really care about these people as much as you say you do. If you did, you would be living on the streets and you wouldn't own anything because you would take their place as one of the poor people.


They could support though! It would just be through privatized funding from people who support that protective force.

matious

What the ****?

He's recommending minor tax bumps towards the top 5 percent, who are at the wealthiest they have ever been in U.S. history compared the lower American population. He's not saying they should give up all their money and belongings, just to instead of buying a 3rd house on the beach, maybe donate some money towards somebody who actually needs it.Hell the person who gets the donation doesn't even have to be american, might even be more significant if the person wasn't.

I personally would love if my public highschool could get enough textbooks for every kid in the class.

Inuzuka Skysword

It doesn't matter what you think though because it is there money, and it would be a logical fallacy for you to say you know better.

JayJamJah

This is the part (s)he\they doesn't understand. We all fell the same way, lets help the less fortunate, but you and I believe personal choice superceeds subjective distinctions between right and wrong. They just think right is right and wrong is wrong.

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Double X

It happens all the time in every government. They raise taxes, its their right as the legislative branch to do it. If you live in America you abide by the laws set in place. Everyone has their own set of rights to life, liberty, and property, but the government gets to make the decision. This is a republic, not a full blown anarchist free for fall.

That sounds so much like the feudal age. The people that do that funding will have some pull on the country itself, and we would eventually be run by a bunch of rich fatcats who use their 'privatized soldiers' (mercenaries) to lay down the law. If you don't have a government there is no way you can run a large country.

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JayJamJah

Actually according the Constitution federal income tax in supposed to be voluntary so no its not their right. This is why i don't pay federal income tax because the system is abused, it's why Florida abolished state income tax. And they don't all raise taxes, Ron Paul has never supported or voted in favor of a single tax hike.

The government is supposed to make decisions that reflect the will of the people. It's a democratic republic of course, and if you think personal choice and freedom are indicative or reflective of Anarchy you live in the wrong country.

There is a fundamental difference in our philosophy; you would rather trust the government to do the right thing and I'd rather trust the individual. That's all this argument is, everything else is just semantics.

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