Double X

I support abortions at the point where the fetus lacks human like consciousness and the fact that she is Christian doesn't necessary appall me. I know people who are Christian yet still support more human rights such as *** marriage, abortion (I will discuss abortions with you if you want ), and decriminalization of more drugs. She uses a different moral code than me and it based off of something the first Amendment says is not right.

I don't trust a page if I can tell they are trying to lean on one side. If they show all the significant facts and do it in a fair way I can make a judgment on my own. But the first and second link are clearly biased to the right as is the third is to the left (too lazy to look at the fourth).

What exactly do YOU mean by this? I support ideas that will give us more rights and will restrict government from controlling what we should be able to do. That's all. And since Palin is against these reforms, I am not sure I can support her at all.

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ProggyMan

Lol, creationism is a belief, you think something with no scientific evidence for it should be taught in schools? Church and state should be seperated, but they're not here. Not really anyway.

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RezZ

Wendy no offense but you cant hold your end in a debate by continuously posting links. Half of which have no respectable sources.

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WaspStar

Not true. Adams, Washington, etc. all had doubts, and Jefferson was, at best, an agnostic. Try this text: "Moral minority : our skeptical Founding Fathers."

I wonder how you would react if a majority of Americans were, say, Islamic, and wanted to teach Islamic idealogy in the public schools. As it is, evolution is taught as a theory in science class. There is no science in creationism. Leave it for philosophy classes.


Our country was economically built on slavery and the idea that women, Native Americans, etc. were not real people. Should we revert to that as well? What about child labor, widespread lynchings, etc.?


The fetus is a part of the woman's body. If she wants to cut off her own hand, who am I (or you, or anyone else) to tell her not to? The same goes for abortions.

I like John Lydon's quote on this: "Morals ain't got nothing to do with it. It's immoral to bring a child into the world and not give a toss about it."

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Double X

They're not really children at all yet. It's not like they kill the baby when the mom is 8 months pregnant. Most states don't perform past 4 months where the baby is less than 6 in long and it's rarely possible to predict the gender. (What happens if you get raped by your close family member and there is a very high chance of mental illness? Do you have the baby that isn't even aware of it's own existence and taking it's toll on your body when you didn't even want it in the first place?) Most abortions happen when it is barely even an embryo. It's not like they kill the baby as it's being born.

Comparing slavery to cheap labor in America is ridiculous, people can leave their jobs any time, take cheap night classes to develop a skill.

And you missed his point about 'In God We Trust'. People were committed to the idea of slavery, oppressed women, etc. back in 1789 but changed it doesn't me we should stick with it now because we realize it is wrong. Just because the Founding Fathers believed in Christianity doesn't mean that 200 years later we should be teaching it in our school. Do we teach Hindu ideals in our school during science classes? Of course not.

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lucifer_sam

It's absolutely ridiculous to compare abortion to infanticide. Many women (or teenage girls) aren't ready to become mothers and really have no other option than to abort. It isn't evil or wicked, and it most certainly isn't for "convenience." A child is an enormous responsibility, and it should not be under the judgment of conservatives to determine who must have a baby. I know several girls who have had abortions, and I can honestly say that it would have been the worst decision of their life to bear a child.

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wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

I'd rather someone have an abortion than see unfit parents bring a child into the world.

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The Unfan

I know I'm on ignore by her but I figure I should address this anyway for passers by.
Well...no, but yes. She wants creation theory taught as science. However, creation theory has no scientific backing where evolution is a strictly scientific discussion. Religion shouldn't be a required course, and should not be funded by tax dollars. However, if a private school wants to use their private funds not payed for by tax dollars to teach religion thats fine. Teaching it isn't wrong, however if I had children I wouldn't want to impose religion on them, and most certainly not in school.

Yes the way he was saying. The first amendment wouldn't have it any other way. As long as something is paid for by taxes it can not be religious activity. It really is that simple.

America was founded for two major reasons. The first of which are tea taxes, or more expansively taxation of consumables. The second reason, and the important one for this discussion, is to escape the tryanny of state ran mega churches. Among the founding fathers we had mostly Christians and Deists probably because of their background more than anything. However, it was made pretty clear in the Treaty Of Tripoly, article 11 that the U.S. government is not in any way founded on the Christian religion.

So how about "In God We Trust"? Well, America wasn't founded in the middle of the cold war.

Anyway, just so i know where you're coming from ~

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I have a few Christian friends who are in favor of *** marriage because they don't view America as a Christian nation. Likewise, neither should you, because it isn't. It never was, and as long as I am alive it won't be.

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lucifer_sam

My point exactly.

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anticipation

Benjamin Franklin and John Adams, two of the leading organizers of the first Continental Congress, were deists. Deism places reasoning and logic as being more significant than scriptural proof. That is also why the First Amendment of the Constitution explicity created a separation of church and state. Deists also believe that God created a set of natural laws to govern the universe, and did not directly interfere with humanity.

America was not founded by a largely Christian congress that fiercely obeyed a orthodox set of morals. It was founded by a group of liberal, landowning entrepenuers who set out to gain economic freedom from England.

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