Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, *** marriage stuff)

The Unfan · 11-15-2008, 03:55 AM

So I needed to get this off my chest as its been bugging me. I do not understand what argument any people or persons of religious faith can form for the banning of gay marriage. As per the first amendment the state is forced to look at marriage as either being a religious right or a civic right. If it is indeed a religious right than the state can not be involved nor make laws pertaining to who can and can't wed. Its simply unconstitutional. On the other hand if it is a civic right than the state can not recognize the religiousity of it and has to let everyone do it, strictly prohibit it, or claim no involvement with it anyway. How then is it legally possible to ban *** marriage?

Furthermore, unbanning gay marriage would result in a booming market for tuxedos, cakes, dresses, and all that other good stuff. It would be economically beneficial to stop prop 8. Even if you don't want gays to get married you should be against prop 8 for your own good.

FireInCairo · 11-15-2008, 03:58 AM

great explanation.
Conservatives are afraid of change basically.
HAven't they already passed proposition 8?

Fruitonica · 11-15-2008, 03:59 AM

It really pissed me off how all the ads promoting prop 8 tried to frame the issue as something other than the stripping away of gay rights.

The Unfan · 11-15-2008, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FireInCairo

HAven't they already passed proposition 8?

Yes, but people are still trying to fight it, as they should. In fact, there is a nation wide rally today.For info.

streetwaves · 11-15-2008, 12:57 PM

Exactly. There is no real argument for the pro-8 people. It's based totally on religious ideals, and ignores the Constitution in favor of the Bible. The rest of their argument is based on fear and lies.

**JayJamJah** · 11-15-2008, 12:59 PM

It's absurd. Anyone who voted for Prop 8 should be ashamed of themselves.

You summed it up perfect Unfan, it's completely unconstitutional and un-American.

It's a lot like the 60's when public segregation was finally discontinued.

In 20 years (hopefully less) we'll all look back at this and think...really...we voted to stop gays from marrying.

wolverinewolfweiselpigeon · 11-15-2008, 01:28 PM

Well said, Unfan.
It's completely ridiculous. While I was picketing last week all the "Yes" people were holding signs that said "Yes on 8 = Less Government," "Yes on 8 = Better Education," and "Yes on 8 = Freedom of Speech."
Seriously? That doesn't even make sense.
I can't wrap my head around the ignorance and discrimination people display. It's sickening. It's... wrong.

Anteater · 11-16-2008, 12:04 AM

Bleh. Its understandable that homosexuals would want in on marriage, but seems sorta pointless to me. Marriage (the Western world concept of it anyway) is rooted in a religion that doesn't look kindly upon same-sex coupling to begin with, so...yeah.

We'd all be better off just steering clear of this Prop 8 **** in any case. = /

Janszoon · 11-16-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Well said, Unfan.
It's completely ridiculous. While I was picketing last week all the "Yes" people were holding signs that said "Yes on 8 = Less Government," "Yes on 8 = Better Education," and "Yes on 8 = Freedom of Speech."
Seriously? That doesn't even make sense.
I can't wrap my head around the ignorance and discrimination people display. It's sickening. It's... wrong.

"Yes on 8 = Less Government"? Those people are crazy. How does adding a new amendment to the state constitution, effectively creating a new law, equal less government? Frigging bigots can't even form a coherent thought.

wolverinewolfweiselpigeon · 11-16-2008, 03:18 AM

I know, right?

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11-15-2008, 03:55 AM
The Unfan Musicbanteran against TX Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Not texas Posts: 1,434	Oh yay, another political thread! (Prop 8, * marriage stuff) So I needed to get this off my chest as its been bugging me. I do not understand what argument any people or persons of religious faith can form for the banning of gay marriage. As per the first amendment the state is forced to look at marriage as either being a religious right or a civic right. If it is indeed a religious right than the state can not be involved nor make laws pertaining to who can and can't wed. Its simply unconstitutional. On the other hand if it is a civic right than the state can not recognize the religiousity of it and has to let everyone do it, strictly prohibit it, or claim no involvement with it anyway. How then is it legally possible to ban * marriage? Furthermore, unbanning gay marriage would result in a booming market for tuxedos, cakes, dresses, and all that other good stuff. It would be economically beneficial to stop prop 8. Even if you don't want gays to get married you should be against prop 8 for your own good. __________________ <3_BEAUTIFUL_HELL_FAIRY_<3: I Hate Logic

11-15-2008, 03:58 AM
FireInCairo Q: Are we not men? Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 885	great explanation. Conservatives are afraid of change basically. HAven't they already passed proposition 8? __________________ I don't care that converse all stars are made by nike in sweatshops, what could be more punk than that? Meredith on men: They are but simple creatures who frolic in the summer then, come winter time, simply play snooker in japanese silk. http://www.last.fm/user/TommyAbildgaard

11-15-2008, 03:59 AM
Fruitonica Pale and Wan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aus Posts: 292	It really pissed me off how all the ads promoting prop 8 tried to frame the issue as something other than the stripping away of gay rights.

11-15-2008, 12:57 PM
streetwaves Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 157	Exactly. There is no real argument for the pro-8 people. It's based totally on religious ideals, and ignores the Constitution in favor of the Bible. The rest of their argument is based on fear and lies. __________________ last.fm rateyourmusic

11-15-2008, 12:59 PM
JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The end of the Earth Posts: 1,894	It's absurd. Anyone who voted for Prop 8 should be ashamed of themselves. You summed it up perfect Unfan, it's completely unconstitutional and un-American. It's a lot like the 60's when public segregation was finally discontinued. In 20 years (hopefully less) we'll all look back at this and think...really...we voted to stop gays from marrying. __________________ "The motivation behind this mean-spirited and heart-breaking action should not be allowed to be buried in legal brief."..."If Proposition 8's sponsors plan to destroy lives, they should at least have the courage to admit it publicly." My Van Morrison Discography Thread

11-15-2008, 01:28 PM
wolverinewolfweiselpigeon Keeper of the Juice Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Bay Area Posts: 497	Well said, Unfan. It's completely ridiculous. While I was picketing last week all the "Yes" people were holding signs that said "Yes on 8 = Less Government," "Yes on 8 = Better Education," and "Yes on 8 = Freedom of Speech." Seriously? That doesn't even make sense. I can't wrap my head around the ignorance and discrimination people display. It's sickening. It's... wrong. __________________ "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

11-16-2008, 12:04 AM
Anteater **** off PETA!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Erpland Posts: 286	Bleh. Its understandable that homosexuals would want in on marriage, but seems sorta pointless to me. Marriage (the Western world concept of it anyway) is rooted in a religion that doesn't look kindly upon same-sex coupling to begin with, so...yeah. We'd all be better off just steering clear of this Prop 8 **** in any case. = / __________________ So far beyond the sky Not knowing how or why You realize this feeling is forever And though another day May steal your dreams away- You and the song will always stay together...

11-16-2008, 03:18 AM
wolverinewolfweiselpigeon Keeper of the Juice Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Bay Area Posts: 497	I know, right? __________________ "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."