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Old 03-05-2010, 04:23 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I think people are reading far too much into things.

I don't think this board is dying at all, and I don't think it's any worse than it used to be.
People come & go. Just because someone who's been here a while decides to not be here doesn't mean it's the end of the world.

I can remember a time on this forum when people like Tore, Bulldog, Jackhammer & Mr Dave were not here. Did the forum suck then? No because there were other people there at the time. Those people left and were eventually replaced by the members I just mentioned.

Will a blog make any difference? Personally I think not. I don't come here to read a blog I come here to chat to others. If I want to read a blog i'll read a specialist one dedicated to the subject I want to read about, not an all encompassing one that might not have anything on it that'll interest me.

Personally I think if people go around with their head up their arse complaining 'it's not as good as it used to be' all the time it'll put people off, and then the place really will die.
I only flipped through the novel on the next page of this thread, so I don't know what's going on there, but I agree whole-heartedly with this statement here.

For individuals who've been here a while, yes, you may become disillusioned, discouraged, or just not like the direction things are going. But you don't have to screw it up for the new people by reiterating over and over again how much you dislike it.

Don't be a kill joy! Be on your way and let the n00bs have fun.
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Old 03-05-2010, 04:33 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Messages boards go downhill when the Radiohead thread stays on the first page of the Indie/Alt section for years...which turns everyone into Radiohead fanbois and it's a slow and barely noticeable process. Soon everyone has "Ok Computer" in their lastfm library and everyone wants to get on Thom Yorke's meat stick. The only way to notice this is, 1) your top artist is Radiohead and, 2) you want Thom Yorke's ****.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you, but will applaud any post with "meat stick" in it.
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:14 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Secondly, and I think this is bigger - most forum posters are ****ing vaginas. I've said prior, most show up here with whatever opinions happened to stick to them as they walked through life. No one comes to MB as a "scholar" because those people are generally touting how great jazz and classical are, and they find no responses here. That and their *******s. So your average Joe shows up to these boards and is promtly savaged with a 4-Iron by clueless dopes who not only think Minus the Bear is Jesus, but revers them with the same regard that the scholars revere Jazz and Classical. The larger differece being that Minus the Bear sucks, and we do respond to Indie threads.

Once these Johnny 6-packs are abused enough they either leave, or start to conform. And they don't kind of conform, they jump in whole hog and beat the hell out of the newbie wave behind them. They are assisted by the few that had just finished beating them, and who are now just as snarky but with less fire.

Eventually those folks become established or leave, and the final tier of a forum poster becomes somewhat of a seasoned veteran in musical exploration and argument. Even still, old habits die hard and conventional wisdom is questioned but rarely explored. And thats the problem. This penthouse class of posters doesn't weild its experience like a weapon to slaughter sacred cows, they sit, kowtowed to the systems and norms that were in place when they showed up here.
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:03 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I only flipped through the novel on the next page of this thread, so I don't know what's going on there, but I agree whole-heartedly with this statement here.

For individuals who've been here a while, yes, you may become disillusioned, discouraged, or just not like the direction things are going. But you don't have to screw it up for the new people by reiterating over and over again how much you dislike it.

Don't be a kill joy! Be on your way and let the n00bs have fun.
I don't think anyone is screwing the site up for anyone. This thread was started by a non leaver and people have been giving their opinions whether positive or negative and have a right to do that whether others agree or not. Sometimes a different opinion is what pushes things forward but even so I haven't seen a whole bunch of threads or posts constantly bemoaning the site.

I myself have left MB generally on the quiet as I'm disillusioned with the site but that can be attributed to a personal preference and not neccessarily an elitist attitude whereby I think I'm above anyone else on here etc

Because I genuinely do love music, it forms such a huge part of my life I guess I have been looking for acceptance and/or validation for my musical preferences and when that hasn't always been forthcoming I dwelt on that but now I am perfectly happy to go back into my own little bubble that I was in before I came to this site and realise that I am stupid and naive to crave that acceptance and should (and do) just go ahead and listen to what the hell I like.

There is no doubt that MB has broadened my musical tastes even more and it is one of the very best music forums out there but like a few others I can see the potential of the site being much more than just another internet forum with the wealth of knowledgeable and intelligent posters we have amassed on here this site could be THE place to go for most music fans whilst still holding onto it's identity and lack of professional critics which grounds the views in the everyday fan and not the educated journalist types who can lose touch with the grass roots of music.

Saying that there are many who like the format of the site and I fully respect that. I'm just proffering my views on my lack of visits and contributions here anymore and I can't speak for others who don't frequent the site as much as they used too.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:03 PM   #65 (permalink)
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^ I understand what you're saying. But it seems, to me anyway, that there are a few who seem to sign on simply to let everyone know how much "MB sucks", why they dislike it, and/or why they are leaving.

And those people should chill out and just leave if that's what they want to do. Not stir the pot.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:10 PM   #66 (permalink)
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^i agree
in most forums you will have people that will do that. In my opinion people just do that for attention. I just scroll past them and read a different thread/reply on the site(s).
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:10 PM   #67 (permalink)
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^ I understand what you're saying. But it seems, to me anyway, that there are a few who seem to sign on simply to let everyone know how much "MB sucks", why they dislike it, and/or why they are leaving.

And those people should chill out and just leave if that's what they want to do. Not stir the pot.
I'm not sure I see anyone issuing negative remarks in this thread.
It seems to me that the majority of posts are split between the ones who wish the site was moving on to better things and those who wish the site to remain as it is.
Big3's opening post is a call to the members here to raise the standard themselves with what we already have, rather than bemoan the site for what they perceive it currently is.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:16 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I wasn't limiting my comment to this thread I guess. Just seems to be something noticeable throughout the forum sometimes.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:22 PM   #69 (permalink)
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^ I understand what you're saying. But it seems, to me anyway, that there are a few who seem to sign on simply to let everyone know how much "MB sucks", why they dislike it, and/or why they are leaving.

And those people should chill out and just leave if that's what they want to do. Not stir the pot.
How are they stirring the pot if they are providing a counter opinion? It's all about balance. What's the point in giving an opinion (however right or wrong as perceived by others) if they are told to just leave if they don't like it? Maybe they want to stay and hope that little changes would keep them onboard?
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Old 03-08-2010, 01:37 AM   #70 (permalink)
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Sometimes a different opinion is what pushes things forward but even so I haven't seen a whole bunch of threads or posts constantly bemoaning the site.
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Because I genuinely do love music, it forms such a huge part of my life I guess I have been looking for acceptance and/or validation for my musical preferences and when that hasn't always been forthcoming I dwelt on that but now I am perfectly happy to go back into my own little bubble that I was in before I came to this site and realise that I am stupid and naive to crave that acceptance and should (and do) just go ahead and listen to what the hell I like.
I don't think you are stupid and naive, Jackhammer, to crave acceptance of your musical tastes. It is only natural to enjoy finding people who feel or respond the same way you do to music. I think there must be many people here who share a lot of your musical tastes.

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like a few others I can see the potential of the site being much more than just another internet forum with the wealth of knowledgeable and intelligent posters we have amassed on here this site could be THE place to go for most music fans whilst still holding onto it's identity and lack of professional critics which grounds the views in the everyday fan and not the educated journalist types who can lose touch with the grass roots of music.
What are ways to implement some of the ideas you and right-track and others have suggested for improving the site yet still retain its basic current structure, in case the administrator doesn't want major rearrangements?
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