Originally Posted by Skaligojurah
Rock is a variety of pop. It largely employs catchy hooks, distinguishable clear lyrics, formula song structures. Elvis, in fact, was the prototypical pop star in every fashion. Singing skill, sex appeal, expensive costumes, merchandise, highly exposed shows.
Cobain was a pop star too. Albeit, maybe wanted to live by punk ideologies, but couldn't, which perhaps contributed to his inner struggles. Regardless, your argument for his case if flawed in 2 ways:
A) Cobain very much admittedly wrote songs with lyrics that literally made no sense. Sometimes entirely off the sound of words, and nothing else. I mean, he exposed us to such brilliant lyrical passages such as:
and the ever so logical:
Really REALLY coherent stuff going on there...
B) Gaga is going for irony, nothing wrong with that. It's the severe lack of any melodic ambition that kills her. If her actual music was as interesting as her themes/visuals than she'd be an amazing artist. However, her music is juvenile, and takes way to few risks. She's a lazy songwriter, who is more interested in collecting a check than anything.
However, she wants you to think she's weird, and be freaked out. All that does is empower her with shock value which allows her to continually to pimp her mindlessly one dimensional music. Cobain, albeit better(slightly) did the same thing even if he had a level of honesty which Lady Gaga completely lacks. Regardless, both are sort of placed on an unfairly high pedestal, and profit far more from the visual medium than their contributions melodically.
As for terms like "Talent", Cobain was a horrible singer, mediocre guitar player, and only a decent songwriter because he sheltered himself into a certain niche. Gaga may be a lazy songwriter, but she's both a talented singer, and a pianist. Again, though, she's worse in the sense she can't be a good songwriter because she's more concerned about collecting a paycheck than actually writing a good song which might break the formula, and potentially alienate an audience.
Again, backing down from her promise to shelve the gimmicks, and focus on the music only further proves this. Which is the reason why I so feverently despise her.
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