Sex Pistols vs. Ramones (punk, The Ramones, tunes, tracks, quote)

**Urban Hatemonger** · 06-20-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

The Ramones were fun. The Sex Pistols were... depressing?

Try nihilistic

**jackhammer** · 06-20-2008, 05:39 PM

A strange thought I have had about this is, is that American music is generally positive and is optimistic. British music is generally pessimistic and nihilistic. This applies across the board and a thread is now gestating...

**Urban Hatemonger** · 06-20-2008, 05:50 PM

I think you may be right about that.
I think that's one of the reasons Oasis stood out so much when they were first around. Every song on that debut album was optimistic.

**jackhammer** · 06-20-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I think you may be right about that.
I think that's one of the reasons Oasis stood out so much when they were first around. Every song on that debut album was optimistic.

Am I missing something?

**Urban Hatemonger** · 06-20-2008, 06:02 PM

Seriously

They're all about going out & living life to the full. Live Forever , Cigarettes & alcohol , Rock n Roll Star , Digsy's Dinner , Up In the Sky , Slide Away , Shakermaker ... all about that

About the only down song on that whole album is Married With Children.

**jackhammer** · 06-20-2008, 06:21 PM

The reason I quoted you was that you quoted optimism in English music which left me nonplussed!

**Piss Me Off** · 06-21-2008, 06:18 AM

I think it's a lot like the sarcastic sort of humour that seems to be mainly exclusive to Brits and gets lost on a lot of other countries. Just like that we're not really afraid to complain and be moody sods either, whereas music from other countries tends to be more upbeat.

Molecules · 06-21-2008, 11:19 AM

Gonna go with the Pistols, simply because their sole album proper stands on it's own, untainted by a decades-long career of self-parody like the Ramones. If the Ramones had quit after Road to Ruin it'd be almost even stevens

Rainard Jalen · 06-21-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

A strange thought I have had about this is, is that American music is generally positive and is optimistic. British music is generally pessimistic and nihilistic. This applies across the board and a thread is now gestating...

I think this is a massive overgeneralization and isn't really true at all. Take a wider range of artists and you find the Americans turn out just as pessimistic and depressive as us moody gits. Conversely there's been plenty of British music geared towards optimism and a positive message. I think you're focussing on specific movements?

WaspStar · 06-21-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

The Ramones were fun. The Sex Pistols were... depressing?

I have to disagree on that. NMTB is a lot of fun, once you start hearing the humor. On the other hand, even if you take it straight, I think it achieves the White Light/White Heat trick of taking ugliness and making it...attractive, even beautiful, by virtue of expressing it so perfectly.

Nothing against the Ramones, who I think are one of the better New York bands from that time, but they have nothing on the Pistols.

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06-20-2008, 05:39 PM
jackhammer A Cabled Discount Join Date: May 2007 Location: U.K Posts: 5,231	A strange thought I have had about this is, is that American music is generally positive and is optimistic. British music is generally pessimistic and nihilistic. This applies across the board and a thread is now gestating... __________________ My music collection.cough cough enjoy. Ha Ha charade you are. My dvd collection.

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Urban Hatemonger GET TO FALKIRK Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: STONYBRIDGE Posts: 9,647	I think you may be right about that. I think that's one of the reasons Oasis stood out so much when they were first around. Every song on that debut album was optimistic. __________________

06-20-2008, 06:02 PM
Urban Hatemonger GET TO FALKIRK Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: STONYBRIDGE Posts: 9,647	Seriously They're all about going out & living life to the full. Live Forever , Cigarettes & alcohol , Rock n Roll Star , Digsy's Dinner , Up In the Sky , Slide Away , Shakermaker ... all about that About the only down song on that whole album is Married With Children. __________________

06-20-2008, 06:21 PM
jackhammer A Cabled Discount Join Date: May 2007 Location: U.K Posts: 5,231	The reason I quoted you was that you quoted optimism in English music which left me nonplussed! __________________ My music collection.cough cough enjoy. Ha Ha charade you are. My dvd collection.

06-21-2008, 06:18 AM
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06-21-2008, 11:19 AM
Molecules 'soupy twist' Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 634	Gonna go with the Pistols, simply because their sole album proper stands on it's own, untainted by a decades-long career of self-parody like the Ramones. If the Ramones had quit after Road to Ruin it'd be almost even stevens __________________ Substix Last FM 'Institutionalised cruelty is one thing. But the twisted brainwrong of a one-off man-mental is quite another.'