sweet_nothing

wow that was very clever better than anything John Lydon wrote

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Alfred

Now that I look at the sh!tty songwriting and arsenal of insults, I'm assuming it's Anti-Flag. I'm probably wrong though. They probably love the Pistols, though I haven't really researched their music tastes.

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Those lyrics suck, but the Sex Pistols sucked more, and I'm tired of people cumming all over their generic crap. Black Sabbath, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, etc. have multitudes more influence. OK, so they were "rebellious" and "angry". They were a boy band, put together for suckers to pride themselves on being "true punks". And that's all I'm gonna say.

Oh, and this isn't a personal attack. You have the right to listen to whatever you want to.

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the new scene

well, my honest opinion is that the sex pistols weren't really there for the music, they were there for the image. it's been stated that when sid vicious auditioned for the band, he couldn't play bass at all, but they hired him anyway because he had the 'punk look.' they cared more about what they looked like as a band than what they sounded like.

and i kinda like the ramones so i guess i'm being a little biased.

boo boo

I don't really think thats an opinion, they made that pretty clear.

But I don't see why it matters, they mave been a sh*tty band, but even sh*tty bands can make great records which is what they did. Maybe all the credit should go to McLaren, I dunno.

I do hate it when people call them completely talentless, at least when regarding Johnny Rotten, I'd say the guy must have some creativity in him if Public Image Ltd is any indication, though I might be wrong, I don't know what he contributed to the songwriting if anything at all.

Either way I don't think the motives of artists matter if you like their music. Their music made a hell of an impact, and I honestly don't see how any fan of punk music could not like Never Mind the Bollocks, its a pretty solid record. Even though The Sex Pistols were in it more for the money and sex, drugs and rock n roll than the music, I'd still rather listen to their racket than some of the elitist Indie pricks who actually take themselves seriously as artists. Thats just my opinion.

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I Mojo Jojo

Sex Pistols and Ramones both are essential music.

Both were listed in Spin magazines Top Ten all time bands per some very late 80s list. The only significant thing about that was they got compared to the Beatles/Led Zeppeling mainstream bands. Whoever wrote that towed the pop line for the other 8 bands.

He had a really good line on the Ramones, that they had poured out everything they had into an album and pretty much just released that album every year.

But to be fair, they were something new and original in the pre-packaged and corporate music of the late 70s. Songs like Beat on the Brat was just shockingly honest and simple. We're a happy family shows flashes of a deeper vocabulary than previously suspected.

The Ramones were more about a bunch of guys who wanted to rock (which I am taking from the Spin article) with limited musical talent, but pure drive.

And, of course, they are (arguably) the most early identifiable root of speed metal IMO.

They showed you don't have to be pretty, talented, or in any way corporately marketable to rock. And still pay the bills.

But then there are the Sex Pistols.

The Ramones were a declaration of war against corporate music, but the Pistols were more against the UK establishment.

Lets through out Sid Viscious for a minute, I really found him interesting, his surname is well chosen, but there is very little of him remaining with the Sex Pistols archives. Almost all the recorded music was with Glen Matlock and he was actually able to play.

But that raises another point, the Pistols really were not well captured by just Never Mind the Bullocks. You can glimpse what it was really like with them in Lipstick Traces, from the raid on the ferry concert and the whole thing really.

Also Johnny Lydon had a really unique ability to make people either hate him or like him with just his image.

The Pistols also have the distinction the rock lore notoriety of early implosion. Nothing makes your legacy more tantalizing than wondering what else you might have been capable of.

The real fury of the Pistols is really not left behind. The horrible social conditions of the 70s that created them and the whole punk UK movement really are hard to comprehend in other areas.

"Do ya wanna make tea at the BBC
Do ya wanna be
Do ya really wanna be a cop
Career opportunity
The one that never knocks
Every job they offer you's to keep you off the dock
Career opportunity the one that never knocks." - The Clash

I have seen far more bands site the Sex Pistols as an influence, so there is that undercurrent. (Basically, it is the same reasoning for why iTunes has a Jesus & Mary Chain collection in the Essential Music section. They were very influential to other musicians, but didn't really sell alot of albums.)

Bands like Duran Duran and U2 have held them up as influences, usually along with David Bowie. Whether or not you like or hate those bands, it is very curious that they would claim kinship to a band so far off of their reservation.

Musically, I would put Steve Jones alone about the Ramones. Much of his guitar work has been imitated and digested by bands since then. When you hear Generation X's version of Dancing with Myself, can anyone say they cannot identify Jones' work?

Lydon when on to PIL, which really was a key to Industrial. Even Unlistenable, IMO.

Lydon was more of thinking man, bigger vocabulary, alot more meat to his lyrics over the course of his career. More with PIL, of course.

I Wanna be Me is one of my favorites, Submission is quite good.

Between the two, I gotta go with the Pistols.

I have the entire discography of the Ramones, and I have yet to listen to all of it.

I scrape around to find some small scrap of something I haven't yet heard.

Wise Old Wizard

The Ramones are up there with some of the best ROCK 'N ROLL bands ever, so forget even trying to match them with any punk band.

loose_lips_sink_ships

I'm gonna go with Ramones on this one...

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Lost_At_22

Love both the Pistols and the Ramones, but if pushed for a favourite it would be the Pistols for certain. The music scene in the UK in the mid 70's was rife with disco and the remnants of glam rock. A change was needed and the Sex Pistols rocked the music industry to its foundation, they were never the most competent musicians but Jones, Matlock and Rotten had a magnetic appeal and worked great as a unit. The introduction of Sid was nothing to do with music it was all about image, and he succeded in giving them the high profile they sought so desperately.
People all seem intent on catergorising groups into little genrés, and if thats the case i wouldn't even call the Ramones punk, they emerged in the New Wave era in New York as a straight forward rock' n' roll group. Heads down, legs apart, playing at a 100mph was always their trade mark, they didn't court controversy like the Pistols but it always found them. They released numerous albums but the songs are interchangeable (read sameish) and just seem to run for 2 mins and you're onto the next tune.

Before all you young "experts" out there ridicule my reasons i should point out i've seen both groups live (Pistols in 77) so have a valid reason for my vote for the Pistols. It was genuinely exciting to see the music scene change so quickly and for the better. When all said and done though i'll take The Damned as my punk group of choice.

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The Ramones of course

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