Racism In Punk (lead singer, metal, quote, band, Harp)

riseagainstrocks · 12-24-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jesus

gregb apparently

Rockafella Skank built the site. So chances are he blocked it.

and I doubt he is homophobic, he just tried to block most of the comment insult words. Calling someone *** (who is not ***) is like calling them stupid. and no, ***'s are stupid. i don't feel like explaining myself anymore. either you get it or not.

sleepy jack · 12-24-2005, 04:26 PM

We get it, but its fun to call the admin a homophobe makes us feel all dangerous.

All_Nite_Dinah · 12-24-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by half_baked87

i think that if i want to make a racist joke, so ****ing what. i don't go around mistreating blacks or anything like that, i have nothing but respect for other races.!

Would you go up to a black person on the street and tell him a racist joke and call him a "nigger"? If you have nothing but respect how could you advocate telling these jokes that show nothing but hate and disrespect. I dont think so, racism isn't cool whether you sit in your room and giggle at racist jokes on the internet or put a confederate flag on your house and carve a swastika on the wall. By making jokes about different people you just ingraine these racist,sexist,homophobic threads deeper into our culture. Your advocating the idea its ok to laugh at minorities as long as you dont hit them, how long do you think thats going to last. I don't hink you fully understand the problem. Racism, sexism, and homophobia are pathetic and advocate hate. Sure you can joke with your *** friends,I have made jokes about straight people with my *** friends but at the same time aknowledge what your saying. For every single role people impose upon others they impose a role upon themselves. For every guy who says a womans job is to cook a mans dream is crushed for fear of being called feminine, for every joke about *** men dressing nice a straight man has a role imposed upon himself. Racism, sexism, and homophobia AREN'T FUNNY, THEY ARE NOT JOKES, THEY ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. People are killed because of these trivial differences and whenever someone brushes off the idea that they are not suppose to be the subject of a good laugh they contribute to these hate crimes. Every joke, every slur, every gesture is another nail in the coffin and another star on the chart of white supremicist groups and hate groups everywhere. How can people expect to build a better society when they can't even manage the garbled rhetoric that passes over their own lips. I'm sorry, but I have no idea why your sitting their advocating racism and homphobia and I guess Im just kind of pissed about it.

half_baked87 · 12-24-2005, 09:23 PM

i'm in no way advocating hate crimes, racism or homophobia. if i was a homophobe do you think i could live with a *** guy? i just think people need to relax and take everything with a grain of salt. i'm not hurting anyone by telling a joke about STEREOTYPICAL minorities, i think by poking fun at these stereotypes we can all help people to realize how stupid and trivial they are. its uppity ultra-liberals like you that are making it a problem. you take everything too seriously. and no i would never drop an N bomb infront of a black person, infact i rarely use the term to begin with. i know they are serious problems, but are they so serious that i can't have a cheap laugh without being branded as a bigot and a racist? i'm not laughing AT them, im poking fun at the stereotypes, not perpetuating them. i'm more concerned about policies and REAL problems that affect the equality of minorities in this society, not a telling a few jokes. i understand you're agruement, but a joke is a joke.

kiki chunt · 12-25-2005, 06:29 AM

Racism is NOT a punk thing - never has been
Even if early UK punks sometimes wore swastikas, nazi regalia, and the pistols even dropped a little of into their lyrics (No-one is Innocent)
It was nothing to do with an inclination towards fascism or an indication of racism, merely an effective shock tactic intended to inflame and distance an older generation.
Reggae and punk grew hand in hand in the UK, lots of punks were big reggae fans, and hung with black kids peacefully: Punks were big supporters of 'rock against racism' and the Anti Fascist League.

Most punks were aspiring to anarchy (if they had actually thought about it beyond wearing the badges) Racism is more often a by-product of fascism - where enigmatic sociopaths always rally the senseless thugs against some or other amorphous 'alien' threat . . .

Fair to say a lot of nasty racist music is made in that very punk-thrash style: don't make it - or the biggoted a55hol3s making it - punk.

sleepy jack · 12-25-2005, 12:17 PM

Did i say racism was punk?
No, i said racism IN punk quit treating me like im such a moron as to think all skins are racist and racism is punk.
Christ.

All_Nite_Dinah · 12-25-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by half_baked87

you take everything too seriously. and no i would never drop an N bomb infront of a black person, infact i rarely use the term to begin with. i know they are serious problems, but are they so serious that i can't have a cheap laugh without being branded as a bigot and a racist? i'm not laughing AT them, im poking fun at the stereotypes, not perpetuating them. i'm more concerned about policies and REAL problems that affect the equality of minorities in this society, not a telling a few jokes. i understand you're agruement, but a joke is a joke.

You have to sitback for a second and realize that your telling RACIST jokes, racist jokes=racist cause. You are perpetuating these steryotypes by telling jokes like this. You might not think your a racist or a homphobe but what you say is racist, whather its not your personal feelings or not you are still saying racist things and showing NO respect. If you wouldnt "drop an N bomb" in front of a black person why do you feel comfortable doing it in private?? Honestly think about it for awhile. Stereotypes exist because people dwell upon them and use them for amusement, its just addig fuel to the flames. A racist joke IS NOT a joke. Do you think the first person to tell those wasnt racist? Do you think it was just for a fun laugh? I don't think that you realize that this kind of stuff is part of the greater social inequalities you claim to fight. You can support the NAACP, but when you turn around and start saying this stuff and saying it to people who will hear it and repeat it, and kids who might hear it and repeat it you undid any contibutions you made before. I hate to sound like one of those tv ads but teaching fairness and equality really does start at home. Racism is racism, whether its a "cheap laugh" at a minorities expense, a hate crime, or a neo nazi punk band on stage blabbing thier rediculous ideas. Granted some forms are MUCH more severe from the other, but the fact is they're all racism. Most people don't like to aknowledge that but its the truth.

**cardboard adolescent** · 12-25-2005, 08:52 PM

That's a load of bullshit.

When you can joke about something, it means that you can see the absurdity in it. Not that you're perpetuating any sort of ideal or truth.

Like half baked said, a joke is a joke, I see black people on TV making fun of white people and stereotyping, and I'm not offended. It doesn't bother me. If they actually believe that all white people behave the way they say they do, they're obviously pretty narrow-minded, but I don't give a ****. They're not causing any physical harm.

Trauma · 12-26-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by All_Nite_Dinah

Would you go up to a black person on the street and tell him a racist joke and call him a "nigger"? If you have nothing but respect how could you advocate telling these jokes that show nothing but hate and disrespect. I dont think so, racism isn't cool whether you sit in your room and giggle at racist jokes on the internet or put a confederate flag on your house and carve a swastika on the wall. By making jokes about different people you just ingraine these racist,sexist,homophobic threads deeper into our culture. Your advocating the idea its ok to laugh at minorities as long as you dont hit them, how long do you think thats going to last. I don't hink you fully understand the problem. Racism, sexism, and homophobia are pathetic and advocate hate. Sure you can joke with your *** friends,I have made jokes about straight people with my *** friends but at the same time aknowledge what your saying. For every single role people impose upon others they impose a role upon themselves. For every guy who says a womans job is to cook a mans dream is crushed for fear of being called feminine, for every joke about *** men dressing nice a straight man has a role imposed upon himself. Racism, sexism, and homophobia AREN'T FUNNY, THEY ARE NOT JOKES, THEY ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS. People are killed because of these trivial differences and whenever someone brushes off the idea that they are not suppose to be the subject of a good laugh they contribute to these hate crimes. Every joke, every slur, every gesture is another nail in the coffin and another star on the chart of white supremicist groups and hate groups everywhere. How can people expect to build a better society when they can't even manage the garbled rhetoric that passes over their own lips. I'm sorry, but I have no idea why your sitting their advocating racism and homphobia and I guess Im just kind of pissed about it. You have to sitback for a second and realize that your telling RACIST jokes, racist jokes=racist cause. You are perpetuating these steryotypes by telling jokes like this. You might not think your a racist or a homphobe but what you say is racist, whather its not your personal feelings or not you are still saying racist things and showing NO respect. If you wouldnt "drop an N bomb" in front of a black person why do you feel comfortable doing it in private?? Honestly think about it for awhile. Stereotypes exist because people dwell upon them and use them for amusement, its just addig fuel to the flames. A racist joke IS NOT a joke. Do you think the first person to tell those wasnt racist? Do you think it was just for a fun laugh? I don't think that you realize that this kind of stuff is part of the greater social inequalities you claim to fight. You can support the NAACP, but when you turn around and start saying this stuff and saying it to people who will hear it and repeat it, and kids who might hear it and repeat it you undid any contibutions you made before. I hate to sound like one of those tv ads but teaching fairness and equality really does start at home. Racism is racism, whether its a "cheap laugh" at a minorities expense, a hate crime, or a neo nazi punk band on stage blabbing thier rediculous ideas. Granted some forms are MUCH more severe from the other, but the fact is they're all racism. Most people don't like to aknowledge that but its the truth.

That was one of the best anti-racism speeches I've ever heard. Ever.

Trauma · 12-26-2005, 12:48 AM

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