Is Old School Punk an actual genre? (techno, jazz, metal)

**Urban Hatemonger** · 02-19-2008, 12:28 PM

My theory is that if you want to make music in the same spirit as punk then you won't sound like a punk band.

Punk was a reaction to the stuff that came before it. The punk rock 'sound' is over 30 years old. If the Sex Pistols had came along & made music that sounded like it was 30 years old they'd sound like Glenn Miller.

berlisishott · 02-19-2008, 12:40 PM

Pop = Popular Music.

Rock = Popular Music.

Subgenres of Rock = Popular Music.

You could call the band Black Sabbath pop in the 1970s and be considered technically correct. As pop stands for popular music.

It's only in the last twenty years or so that "pop" and rock have become such mortal enemies, as with the rise of Dance Pop, Boy Bands and (increased) Bubblegum Pop, the punk scene of the early 90's (and late 80's), as well as Grunge and Alternative Music, seperated themselves from Hairmetal pop ballads and the above.

Thus, I don't really see punk rock as pop. But it has been at times considered "popular music".

teshadoh · 02-19-2008, 12:49 PM

But punk has closer ties to pop than metal or prog-rock. Metal after all is electrified blues, definitely not pop. Punk (at least late 70's UK punk) is energized pop (especially Sticky Fingers & Buzz****s). It's only the 1980's US's hardcore punk that combines the non-pop metal with punk.

No - punk isn't strictly 'pop' like Madonna or ABBA. But if you can sing along just like a pop song, it could be considered pop. Though clearly US hardcore punk isn't singable - so I should perhaps rephrase my defense, 1970's punk is pop, just not 1980's US Hardcore punk.

SATCHMO · 02-19-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

My theory is that if you want to make music in the same spirit as punk then you won't sound like a punk band.

Punk was a reaction to the stuff that came before it. The punk rock 'sound' is over 30 years old. If the Sex Pistols had came along & made music that sounded like it was 30 years old they'd sound like Glenn Miller.

Very good point. Some genres cant really be surplanted from the historical context that inspired them and still remain relevant. I feel that today's punk, true DIY punk. is more about personal and communal empowerment, and while I really don't care for the music, I love the culture, and what it represents.

berlisishott · 02-20-2008, 11:57 AM

^ You sir have just gone up ten points on my favorite people list

haveyouheard · 02-25-2008, 09:15 AM

I would say that there's such thing as protopunk. Bands that were playing punk type music before the genre was "born" ie the Stooges or New York Dolls

and yes, green day and such ilk is "pop punk"

ADELE · 02-25-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Blink-182/Green Day haven't even been pop punk in a long time (though blink was really only pop-punkish on like their really early stuff) and Sum 41 never were.

No punk is punk and they aint punk. Punk is a historical concept now. Too many other influences now merge it and it isn't punk anymore as punk is an ethos that was taken up by rap.
Punk was a concept and is now no more.

Punk was the seventies. It is no more.
Those other bands are like early morning school holiday tv what is your favourite colour jelly kids.

**sleepy jack** · 02-25-2008, 07:45 PM

Punk is a genre of music, all this punk is an ideal stuff is bullshit. If punk was an ideal we wouldn't be discussing it on a music forum. Even if were true, The Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Germs, Crass they were all more punk than the Ramones/Sex Pistols/Clash (all major label acts whom you hype.) So either way, you're wrong.

can_i_say · 02-26-2008, 01:47 AM

^ nice pwnage

Alfred · 02-28-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Blink-182/Green Day haven't even been pop punk in a long time (though blink was really only pop-punkish on like their really early stuff) and Sum 41 never were.

I strongly disagree with you. I suppose you'd call Bad Religion and Pennywise pop-punk then? All of those bands are Pop-punk (and Sum even goes beyond that). This isn't the 70's anymore. Punk isn't all raw anymore. The standards have changed. Led Zeppelin wouldn't be considered Hard Rock today, but back in '69, they were the heaviest thing going. Same goes for punk.

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02-19-2008, 12:28 PM
Urban Hatemonger GET TO FALKIRK Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: STONYBRIDGE Posts: 9,647	My theory is that if you want to make music in the same spirit as punk then you won't sound like a punk band. Punk was a reaction to the stuff that came before it. The punk rock 'sound' is over 30 years old. If the Sex Pistols had came along & made music that sounded like it was 30 years old they'd sound like Glenn Miller. __________________

02-19-2008, 12:40 PM
berlisishott Destroyer of Guitars Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 143	Pop = Popular Music. Rock = Popular Music. Subgenres of Rock = Popular Music. You could call the band Black Sabbath pop in the 1970s and be considered technically correct. As pop stands for popular music. It's only in the last twenty years or so that "pop" and rock have become such mortal enemies, as with the rise of Dance Pop, Boy Bands and (increased) Bubblegum Pop, the punk scene of the early 90's (and late 80's), as well as Grunge and Alternative Music, seperated themselves from Hairmetal pop ballads and the above. Thus, I don't really see punk rock as pop. But it has been at times considered "popular music". __________________ Teenage angst has paid off well Now I'm bored and old Self-Appointed judges judge More than they have sold If she floats than she is not A witch like we had thought A down payment on another One at salem's lot

02-19-2008, 12:49 PM
teshadoh Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 98	But punk has closer ties to pop than metal or prog-rock. Metal after all is electrified blues, definitely not pop. Punk (at least late 70's UK punk) is energized pop (especially Sticky Fingers & Buzz****s). It's only the 1980's US's hardcore punk that combines the non-pop metal with punk. No - punk isn't strictly 'pop' like Madonna or ABBA. But if you can sing along just like a pop song, it could be considered pop. Though clearly US hardcore punk isn't singable - so I should perhaps rephrase my defense, 1970's punk is pop, just not 1980's US Hardcore punk.

02-20-2008, 11:57 AM
berlisishott Destroyer of Guitars Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 143	^ You sir have just gone up ten points on my favorite people list __________________ Teenage angst has paid off well Now I'm bored and old Self-Appointed judges judge More than they have sold If she floats than she is not A witch like we had thought A down payment on another One at salem's lot

02-25-2008, 09:15 AM
haveyouheard Groupie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 45	I would say that there's such thing as protopunk. Bands that were playing punk type music before the genre was "born" ie the Stooges or New York Dolls and yes, green day and such ilk is "pop punk" __________________ -Adam Trimble Co-host of the weekly music review podcast Have You Heard.

02-25-2008, 07:45 PM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,328	Punk is a genre of music, all this punk is an ideal stuff is bullshit. If punk was an ideal we wouldn't be discussing it on a music forum. Even if were true, The Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Germs, Crass they were all more punk than the Ramones/Sex Pistols/Clash (all major label acts whom you hype.) So either way, you're wrong. __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

02-26-2008, 01:47 AM
can_i_say Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Toon Posts: 211	^ nice pwnage __________________ meh