Did the f*cking rotter incident "make" punk? (rock, single)

berlisishott · 03-14-2008, 10:21 PM

If you two are going to continue arguing could you move it to a better place, this thread is about the Sex Pistols.

ADELE · 03-14-2008, 10:54 PM

It isn't arguing it is debate my guitar friend.
Urban makes some good points I can't defeat but I have made some too.
Threads are about challenging and debate otherwise they end up with two posts with someone going on about their band and the forum is littered with that type of stuff.
The ****ing rotter incident didn't make punk it made it mainstream in the UK.
What made punk was MacClaren inventing a great new way to exploit the record compaines with young kids who were not trained at music schools but were brash and outspoken. he taught this to Richard Hell but he wouldn't buy it unless it contained dope so Malcolm came home and did it his way and that is how punk rock properly began.
The rotter incident was merely one part of this plan like the EMI scam, the Palace sign up, the American tour doomed to fail.
Steve Strange did the same thing with New Romantics and Simon Cowell is doing it with mediocre pop crap now.
That is who and what made punk a package for the world. Yes there were a few punk outfits but they were not making new statements but simply competing with bands of their day. The pistols has no influences at all. They just changed the whole direction and everyone followed. They had no influences and no group they belonged to or came from. They were just explosive and crazy and their whole concept was not influenced by any band before.
The Ramones and Iggy pop etc were all influenced and trying to emulate or compete with what was going on. The psitols just started with nothing and were a shambles and that started punk as we know it.
Respond to that Urban and Right track.
Where are you hiding?

berlisishott · 03-14-2008, 10:58 PM

Seems logical captain.

ADELE · 03-14-2008, 11:16 PM

Yes it does and I suspect Urban and Right track cannot challenge this so wont.
I'd like them to but I think right now they should hand me the arguement fairly and in the spirit of good music!
Hold on give it some bollox!
Friggin in the riggin

SATCHMO · 03-14-2008, 11:49 PM

God, can people just get over the Sex Pistols !?!?! They didn't create anything except the notion that a lot of angst, no talent, and a bad haircut might make you famous one day.

ADELE · 03-14-2008, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SATCHMO

God, can people just get over the Sex Pistols !?!?! They didn't create anything except the notion that a lot of angst, no talent, and a bad haircut might make you famous one day.

You my foe are utterly utterly tasteless.
Listen to the balls behind the guitar on silly thing or anarchy and then say there was no talent and one day for the pistols was the same day.
They didn't go to auditions, send demo's, gig for years.
They were stars within weeks.
As for haircuts they had some of the best. But maybe to you they weren't short back and sides and didn't appear on pop idol.
Your comment is so daft it is just not worth me responding to.....but I did anyway as even ignorant people deserve a fair hearing in my book.

SATCHMO · 03-15-2008, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADELE

You my foe are utterly utterly tasteless.
Listen to the balls behind the guitar on silly thing or anarchy and then say there was no talent and one day for the pistols was the same day.

Yeah, and those three chords are as ballsy today as when Steve Jones 'invented' them

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADELE

They didn't go to auditions, send demo's, gig for years.

Neither would I if that was my band.

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Originally Posted by ADELE

They were stars within weeks.

thanks Malcom!

**Urban Hatemonger** · 03-15-2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ADELE

It isn't arguing it is debate my guitar friend.
Urban makes some good points I can't defeat but I have made some too.
Threads are about challenging and debate otherwise they end up with two posts with someone going on about their band and the forum is littered with that type of stuff.
The ****ing rotter incident didn't make punk it made it mainstream in the UK.
What made punk was MacClaren inventing a great new way to exploit the record compaines with young kids who were not trained at music schools but were brash and outspoken. he taught this to Richard Hell but he wouldn't buy it unless it contained dope so Malcolm came home and did it his way and that is how punk rock properly began.
The rotter incident was merely one part of this plan like the EMI scam, the Palace sign up, the American tour doomed to fail.
Steve Strange did the same thing with New Romantics and Simon Cowell is doing it with mediocre pop crap now.
That is who and what made punk a package for the world. Yes there were a few punk outfits but they were not making new statements but simply competing with bands of their day. The pistols has no influences at all. They just changed the whole direction and everyone followed. They had no influences and no group they belonged to or came from. They were just explosive and crazy and their whole concept was not influenced by any band before.
The Ramones and Iggy pop etc were all influenced and trying to emulate or compete with what was going on. The psitols just started with nothing and were a shambles and that started punk as we know it.
Respond to that Urban and Right track.
Where are you hiding?

Even though your version of events bears no resemblence to what actually happened according to people who were there I have decided everything you say is true & look forward to such threads as Malcolm McLaren put man on the moon , Malcolm McLaren invented the blues , Malcolm McLaren is a great bloke and finally I am Malcolm McLaren in the future.

Well done.

**jackhammer** · 03-15-2008, 11:39 AM

Malcom Mc Claren made two buffalo girls go round the outside.

ADELE · 03-15-2008, 11:55 PM

Cheer's Urban.
Admitting you are wrong shows character my friend albeit in a rather tongue and cheek way.
Sometimes I am wrong too like I once thought the next roundabaout was for leicester when in fact it was the second one!
We all have to admit from time to time we are wrong and you showed great dignity in admitting my points about Malcolm.
The people who were there have to say different to sell books or get noticed.
I salute your infatiquabilty Urban.
Now where is right track with a sinilar admittance of error?
Perhaps he is in Manchester city centre trying to chat up a football wag by othering her a bailey's cream in a neon lit ritzy bar.
Or perhaps he is round Ian Brown's house for tea and jaffa cakes!

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03-14-2008, 10:21 PM
berlisishott Destroyer of Guitars Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 140	If you two are going to continue arguing could you move it to a better place, this thread is about the Sex Pistols. __________________ Teenage angst has paid off well Now I'm bored and old Self-Appointed judges judge More than they have sold If she floats than she is not A witch like we had thought A down payment on another One at salem's lot

03-14-2008, 10:54 PM
ADELE Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 400	It isn't arguing it is debate my guitar friend. Urban makes some good points I can't defeat but I have made some too. Threads are about challenging and debate otherwise they end up with two posts with someone going on about their band and the forum is littered with that type of stuff. The ****ing rotter incident didn't make punk it made it mainstream in the UK. What made punk was MacClaren inventing a great new way to exploit the record compaines with young kids who were not trained at music schools but were brash and outspoken. he taught this to Richard Hell but he wouldn't buy it unless it contained dope so Malcolm came home and did it his way and that is how punk rock properly began. The rotter incident was merely one part of this plan like the EMI scam, the Palace sign up, the American tour doomed to fail. Steve Strange did the same thing with New Romantics and Simon Cowell is doing it with mediocre pop crap now. That is who and what made punk a package for the world. Yes there were a few punk outfits but they were not making new statements but simply competing with bands of their day. The pistols has no influences at all. They just changed the whole direction and everyone followed. They had no influences and no group they belonged to or came from. They were just explosive and crazy and their whole concept was not influenced by any band before. The Ramones and Iggy pop etc were all influenced and trying to emulate or compete with what was going on. The psitols just started with nothing and were a shambles and that started punk as we know it. Respond to that Urban and Right track. Where are you hiding? __________________ My one regret is I never learnt a musical instrument Einstien

03-14-2008, 10:58 PM
berlisishott Destroyer of Guitars Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 140	Seems logical captain. __________________ Teenage angst has paid off well Now I'm bored and old Self-Appointed judges judge More than they have sold If she floats than she is not A witch like we had thought A down payment on another One at salem's lot

03-14-2008, 11:16 PM
ADELE Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 400	Yes it does and I suspect Urban and Right track cannot challenge this so wont. I'd like them to but I think right now they should hand me the arguement fairly and in the spirit of good music! Hold on give it some bollox! Friggin in the riggin __________________ My one regret is I never learnt a musical instrument Einstien

03-14-2008, 11:49 PM
SATCHMO Dirt McGirt 08' Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Through the looking glass Posts: 1,689	God, can people just get over the Sex Pistols !?!?! They didn't create anything except the notion that a lot of angst, no talent, and a bad haircut might make you famous one day. __________________ We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine.....and the machine is bleeding to death

03-15-2008, 11:39 AM
jackhammer and he goes like one too Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 6,908	Malcom Mc Claren made two buffalo girls go round the outside. __________________ My music collection.cough cough enjoy. Ha Ha charade you are. My dvd collection.

03-15-2008, 11:55 PM
ADELE Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 400	Cheer's Urban. Admitting you are wrong shows character my friend albeit in a rather tongue and cheek way. Sometimes I am wrong too like I once thought the next roundabaout was for leicester when in fact it was the second one! We all have to admit from time to time we are wrong and you showed great dignity in admitting my points about Malcolm. The people who were there have to say different to sell books or get noticed. I salute your infatiquabilty Urban. Now where is right track with a sinilar admittance of error? Perhaps he is in Manchester city centre trying to chat up a football wag by othering her a bailey's cream in a neon lit ritzy bar. Or perhaps he is round Ian Brown's house for tea and jaffa cakes! __________________ My one regret is I never learnt a musical instrument Einstien