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Old 07-08-2016, 11:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is Progressive Punk really an oxymoron?

I mean, we got Husker Du's Zen Arcade, NoMeansNo with Wrong, Paintbox - Trance, Trip, Traveling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIhxy_LEtc), all the louder up beat Fugazi songs, Die Kreuzen - October File, aren't those kinda progressive for Punk? Yet, Punk Rock was like anti progressive rock, it took things back to basics. So if Progressive Rock fundamentally goes against punk, why do the aforementioned albums work, and could we call them progressive (relatively, for punk speaking)?
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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With some of these albums, it never really crossed my mind. But I'd love to find some really good progressive punk.
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Old 07-25-2016, 04:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It seems at this point pretty much all genres and sub genres have been mixed and matched to a degree. "Progressive country" might be an oxymoron, especially if you're using "progressive" in the political or ideological sense, lol.
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The supposed antagonism between punk and prog is an easy narrative that music journalists like to push, but it isn't that simple. Van Der Graaf Generator and some of Peter Hammill's solo stuff were quite proto-punkish. In fact his 1975 album Nadir's Big Chance was the first instance of british music being called punk rock.
Can, who were also quite progressive, although certainly not prog, were another big influence. Johnny Rotten actually was in the talks of becoming their new singer at some point.
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Can, who were also quite progressive, although certainly not prog, were another big influence. Johnny Rotten actually was in the talks of becoming their new singer at some point.
Wow, I'm not sure how well that'd work out but it sounds interesting. Was this pre-PIL?
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Old 07-25-2016, 08:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Wow, I'm not sure how well that'd work out but it sounds interesting. Was this pre-PIL?
I'm not sure. It's kinda hard to google and there is no source in the wikipedia article mentioning it. But I remember reading it in a book about Can as well.
Since Jah Wobble is mentioned as being upset that it didn't come to be, I'll assume it was during the PIL days.
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This thread needs more Cardiacs.
They are pretty much the first band I think of when progressive punk is mentioned.

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Duality and contradiction, when done right, have great potency artistically. A band that seems to be several things at once while just being themselves has an honest shot at greatness. Unless you're pioneering something new, anything less will leave you ending up pigeonholed.
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Old 07-29-2016, 07:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Progressive Punk, aye... Well.... I've always thought that Punk would be considered the opposite of Prog within the great universe of Rock.

I DO, however, say that there is a Progressive Hardcore: some good sh*t like Mathcore and Noisecore. But Punk? Ol' fashion Punk Rock? No... If anything that'd probably be considered a noisier, less melodic New Wave or maybe Garage Punk... Yeah that actually sounds about right.
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Old 07-29-2016, 07:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Art Punk too....

Shyte, nevermind I'd say there is actually a progressive Punk.......
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