Jay-Z: is he really all that good? POLL (rap, single)

ProggyMan · 05-26-2008, 11:53 PM

Really? Maybe it's because I heard Blue Magic seemingly on repeat for a month straight.

Dantastic · 05-28-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LesPaul43

Reasonable Doubt is an amazing hip hop album. And how can you say that the Black Album isnt good. Its another great album. I love Jay Z, he's got a great, original flow and writes sick rhymes.

I agree with you there. And let's not forget he doesnt write anything down. It all comes from the head.

ProggyMan · 05-28-2008, 06:11 PM

Uh, isn't Rap number 1 in industry sales?

Yah, it's impressive he's managed to stay on top for so long, but all that tells you is he's the best of the crap he has for competition.

sleepy jack · 05-28-2008, 06:16 PM

Mainstream rap's been on a steady decline sales wise. It's more people like Kanye West doing so well as individual's as opposed to the genre itself doing well.

ProggyMan · 05-28-2008, 06:36 PM

The industry's been in decline. Rap's still number 1, whatever way you look at it.

sleepy jack · 05-28-2008, 06:50 PM

rap sells decline - Google Search

You'll find tons of articles on it there, rap in particular has been having troubles selling.

matious · 05-28-2008, 06:53 PM

More focus is being put on mp3's and ringtones. And in that respect rap is dominating.

Illegal downloading and piracy is also higher then ever, and you could argue that a large amount of the people who listen to rap are younger and would be the ones to use limewire etc.

ProggyMan · 05-28-2008, 08:13 PM

Regardless, it's still the dominant music form in America and it's ridiculous to say that it doesn't sell.

Rainard Jalen · 05-29-2008, 01:55 AM

It is true that rap IN PARTICULAR, as was said, has experienced a huge, sharp decline in sales that is simply not consistent with a general decline. It's quite a well-known issue so there's no use in trying to get around it. There was a time that new rappers were popping out right, left and centre, and without even being particularly good could have a massive hit and a sellout album, just as that is still possible for the latest new pop diva etc. Rap fans, on the other hand, have grown a lot more skeptical in recent times, finding themselves increasingly disappointed with the industry's output and, courtesy of the last 7 or so years, the cliche-ridden themes that have permeated the mainstream. Consider the Billboard top 100 at the present moment. In the top 10 there is not a single rap song, even Lil Wayne's Lollipop is not rap. Pick up the charts back in the late 90s though, and it was quite a different story (this is one of the examples used on a TV news item on the subject). Album sales reveal a similar trend.

The dominant format today is all this urban pop stuff. And then, pop more generally.

RezZ · 05-29-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Regardless, it's still the dominant music form in America and it's ridiculous to say that it doesn't sell.

Yes, regardless of its popularity and sales goig down as Proggy said it is absurd to believe it is not one of the top (if not the top) form of music in this country.

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05-26-2008, 11:53 PM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,890	Really? Maybe it's because I heard Blue Magic seemingly on repeat for a month straight. __________________ Haven't laughed this hard in a long time I better stop now before I start crying Go off to sleep in the sunshine I don't want to see the day when it's dying She's a sight to see She's good to me But I'm already somebody's baby She's a pretty thing And she knows everything But I'm already somebody's baby You don't deserve to be lonely But those drugs you've got won't make you feel better -Elliott Smith

05-28-2008, 06:11 PM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,890	Uh, isn't Rap number 1 in industry sales? Yah, it's impressive he's managed to stay on top for so long, but all that tells you is he's the best of the crap he has for competition. __________________ Haven't laughed this hard in a long time I better stop now before I start crying Go off to sleep in the sunshine I don't want to see the day when it's dying She's a sight to see She's good to me But I'm already somebody's baby She's a pretty thing And she knows everything But I'm already somebody's baby You don't deserve to be lonely But those drugs you've got won't make you feel better -Elliott Smith

05-28-2008, 06:16 PM
sleepy jack Vote Unfan For Mod '08 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,709	Mainstream rap's been on a steady decline sales wise. It's more people like Kanye West doing so well as individual's as opposed to the genre itself doing well. __________________ I'm not blind, I believe in you.

05-28-2008, 06:36 PM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,890	The industry's been in decline. Rap's still number 1, whatever way you look at it. __________________ Haven't laughed this hard in a long time I better stop now before I start crying Go off to sleep in the sunshine I don't want to see the day when it's dying She's a sight to see She's good to me But I'm already somebody's baby She's a pretty thing And she knows everything But I'm already somebody's baby You don't deserve to be lonely But those drugs you've got won't make you feel better -Elliott Smith

05-28-2008, 06:50 PM
sleepy jack Vote Unfan For Mod '08 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,709	rap sells decline - Google Search You'll find tons of articles on it there, rap in particular has been having troubles selling. __________________ I'm not blind, I believe in you.

05-28-2008, 06:53 PM
matious Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,532	More focus is being put on mp3's and ringtones. And in that respect rap is dominating. Illegal downloading and piracy is also higher then ever, and you could argue that a large amount of the people who listen to rap are younger and would be the ones to use limewire etc.

05-28-2008, 08:13 PM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,890	Regardless, it's still the dominant music form in America and it's ridiculous to say that it doesn't sell. __________________ Haven't laughed this hard in a long time I better stop now before I start crying Go off to sleep in the sunshine I don't want to see the day when it's dying She's a sight to see She's good to me But I'm already somebody's baby She's a pretty thing And she knows everything But I'm already somebody's baby You don't deserve to be lonely But those drugs you've got won't make you feel better -Elliott Smith

05-29-2008, 01:55 AM
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,783	It is true that rap IN PARTICULAR, as was said, has experienced a huge, sharp decline in sales that is simply not consistent with a general decline. It's quite a well-known issue so there's no use in trying to get around it. There was a time that new rappers were popping out right, left and centre, and without even being particularly good could have a massive hit and a sellout album, just as that is still possible for the latest new pop diva etc. Rap fans, on the other hand, have grown a lot more skeptical in recent times, finding themselves increasingly disappointed with the industry's output and, courtesy of the last 7 or so years, the cliche-ridden themes that have permeated the mainstream. Consider the Billboard top 100 at the present moment. In the top 10 there is not a single rap song, even Lil Wayne's Lollipop is not rap. Pick up the charts back in the late 90s though, and it was quite a different story (this is one of the examples used on a TV news item on the subject). Album sales reveal a similar trend. The dominant format today is all this urban pop stuff. And then, pop more generally.