Is Mumble Rap Punk?

RB17 · 06-16-2017, 05:59 AM

But Punk didn't invent the idea of rebelling to a genre and strip down its sound to the basics, it did invent the idea of rebelling to Rock music of its time.
So, even assuming the mumbled rap trap thing is indeed rebellious towards the rules of Hip Hop, that doesn't make it any more Punk than Basketball is like Hockey 'cause you still shove a thing into a net.

Thom Yorke · 06-16-2017, 10:38 AM

There are definitely parallels in the DIY nature of the two genres. Even ignoring lyricism, from the standpoint of production it's pretty accessible for anyone to make beats just by downloading something like FL Studio or Ableton. A lot of it is just having a dirty 808 bassline.

OccultHawk · 06-16-2017, 10:49 AM

Let's name names. Is this whole thread about Lil Yachty?

**Frownland** · 06-16-2017, 10:57 AM

Well I don't think he's talking about DOOM.

RB17 · 06-16-2017, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

I feel like hip hop was the punk of hip hop

Much of it is commercialized to all hell now but it was like punk where there's almost no barrier to entry

Agree here.

The Batlord · 06-16-2017, 12:02 PM

I don't even like Lil Yachty, but I appreciate the lack of concern for traditional hip hop standards. People will insist all day long, up and down the street that music shouldn't have any creative restrictions, and yet when it comes to hip hop then "it's a lyrical genre" so of course you must have complex, multi-syllabic lyrics to make Robert Frost jealous, and the flow must be rhythmically complex as well, or else you won't sound like you're trying to be the best MC on earth.

**** that. The funny thing is that black people I've known don't seem to care all that much about that ****, whereas white people can be downright fascist. I suspect the crackers are just insecure about listening to a traditionally black genre and swallow whatever restrictive bull**** they think they need to so people won't think they're ignorant honkies.

**Frownland** · 06-16-2017, 12:05 PM

Preference=/=creative restriction

Dylstew · 06-16-2017, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

I feel like hip hop was the punk of hip hop

Much of it is commercialized to all hell now but it was like punk where there's almost no barrier to entry

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I don't even like Lil Yachty, but I appreciate the lack of concern for traditional hip hop standards. People will insist all day long, up and down the street that music shouldn't have any creative restrictions, and yet when it comes to hip hop then "it's a lyrical genre" so of course you must have complex, multi-syllabic lyrics to make Robert Frost jealous, and the flow must be rhythmically complex as well, or else you won't sound like you're trying to be the best MC on earth.

**** that. The funny thing is that black people I've known don't seem to care all that much about that ****, whereas white people can be downright fascist. I suspect the crackers are just insecure about listening to a traditionally black genre and swallow whatever restrictive bull**** they think they need to so people won't think they're ignorant honkies.

That was a grade a rant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RB17

But Punk didn't invent the idea of rebelling to a genre and strip down its sound to the basics, it did invent the idea of rebelling to Rock music of its time.
So, even assuming the mumbled rap trap thing is indeed rebellious towards the rules of Hip Hop, that doesn't make it any more Punk than Basketball is like Hockey 'cause you still shove a thing into a net.

If we see punk as a set of ideals like in this thread, than something can fall under those/some of those ideals or not. Doesn't really matter if it was the first thing ever to invent it. We could use those other things to describe it as well, but the thread is about it happening to fall in line with punk.

OccultHawk · 06-16-2017, 01:03 PM

Batlord

Have you listened to Teenage Emotions?

The album cover is so awesome. It's funny they hate this guy because he gives them nothing to hate. I think you might kind of like it. It's just pop music.

Dylstew · 06-16-2017, 01:12 PM

'' I bust it like Melo
Aimin' at you and your fellows
My new bitch yellow
She blow that dick like a cello''

He wanted to say flute, like ''that instrument squidward plays''..We all know which instrument squidward does play.

My god, this guy is a ****ing genius.

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RB17 Groupie Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Napoli, Italy Posts: 30	But Punk didn't invent the idea of rebelling to a genre and strip down its sound to the basics, it did invent the idea of rebelling to Rock music of its time. So, even assuming the mumbled rap trap thing is indeed rebellious towards the rules of Hip Hop, that doesn't make it any more Punk than Basketball is like Hockey 'cause you still shove a thing into a net. Last edited by RB17; 06-16-2017 at 06:27 AM.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Let's name names. Is this whole thread about Lil Yachty? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Well I don't think he's talking about DOOM. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Preference=/=creative restriction __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Batlord Have you listened to Teenage Emotions? The album cover is so awesome. It's funny they hate this guy because he gives them nothing to hate. I think you might kind of like it. It's just pop music. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

06-16-2017, 10:38 AM	#22 (permalink)
Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	There are definitely parallels in the DIY nature of the two genres. Even ignoring lyricism, from the standpoint of production it's pretty accessible for anyone to make beats just by downloading something like FL Studio or Ableton. A lot of it is just having a dirty 808 bassline.

06-16-2017, 01:12 PM	#30 (permalink)
Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	'' I bust it like Melo Aimin' at you and your fellows My new bitch yellow She blow that dick like a cello'' He wanted to say flute, like ''that instrument squidward plays''..We all know which instrument squidward does play. My god, this guy is a ****ing genius.