Best Avantgarde Metal Band (members, myspace, talented)

Inuzuka Skysword · 10-09-2007, 05:46 PM

Ulver's later stuff is Avant Garde and it is definitely my favorite.

Muzak · 10-09-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Is there any reason why you can't be technical & avant garde?

where did I say that?

Frewen · 10-10-2007, 01:19 AM

Ok ok, assuming !T.O.O.H.! aren't avantgarde metal, then Gorguts probably win get the nod pour moi. And that wouldn't happen to be Helen from Sound Dev would it?

**Urban Hatemonger** · 10-10-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzak

where did I say that?

Well in this specific case thats how it seemed to me what you were saying. Someone said they thought this particular band were avant garde you were quick to dismiss it and say that they are 'Tech metal'. Now I assume only having limited knowledge about metal sub genres myself , that would mean this band play technical metal ,which is why I asked it it was not possible for a metal band that are technical to play avant garde material and be considered both.
Not trying to start an arguement with you or anything , it just there are so many genre arguements on this forum and something i've noticed about them is nobody seems to be willing to admit that a band may have more than one aspect to their sound and seem quite happy to place them all in one box. I just wanted to see what your reasoning about it rather than just dismissing out of hand , because avant grade in any artform isn't the sort of thing you can box up into one thing.

Muzak · 10-10-2007, 05:05 PM

It is certainly possible, I would say that Gorguts is a Technical/Avant Garde Metal band for their extreme experimentation and unusual guitar techniques which I would certainly call Avant Garde alone if they didn't use Guitars, Extreme Metal Drum techniques, and Death Growls in which that also makes them Technical Death Metal. That type of genre mixing is quite common and certainly can accept it when presented with it.

In the case of !T.O.O.H.!, I don't hear anything in their music that tells me they are Avant Garde. The riffs, drumming techniques, baselines are all technical death metal styled. The only thing that might separated them from the rest is their general creative approach to their music (how the solos are handled, song structure) and their unique vocalist but in the end that holds little weight, and most certainly not enough to call them Avant Garde Metal.

**Seltzer** · 10-10-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzak

It is certainly possible, I would say that Gorguts is a Technical/Avant Garde Metal band for their extreme experimentation and unusual guitar techniques which I would certainly call Avant Garde alone if they didn't use Guitars, Extreme Metal Drum techniques, and Death Growls in which that also makes them Technical Death Metal. That type of genre mixing is quite common and certainly can accept it when presented with it.

Agreed. Gorguts is a good example of a technical/avant-garde metal band. So awesome.

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10-09-2007, 05:46 PM
Inuzuka Skysword Anarcho-Capitalist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 953	Ulver's later stuff is Avant Garde and it is definitely my favorite.

10-10-2007, 01:19 AM
Frewen Justin Broadrick Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 152	Ok ok, assuming !T.O.O.H.! aren't avantgarde metal, then Gorguts probably win get the nod pour moi. And that wouldn't happen to be Helen from Sound Dev would it?

10-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Muzak Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,015	It is certainly possible, I would say that Gorguts is a Technical/Avant Garde Metal band for their extreme experimentation and unusual guitar techniques which I would certainly call Avant Garde alone if they didn't use Guitars, Extreme Metal Drum techniques, and Death Growls in which that also makes them Technical Death Metal. That type of genre mixing is quite common and certainly can accept it when presented with it. In the case of !T.O.O.H.!, I don't hear anything in their music that tells me they are Avant Garde. The riffs, drumming techniques, baselines are all technical death metal styled. The only thing that might separated them from the rest is their general creative approach to their music (how the solos are handled, song structure) and their unique vocalist but in the end that holds little weight, and most certainly not enough to call them Avant Garde Metal.