Heavy Metal Causes Violence (lead singer, drum, rock, beatles, rolling stones)

jshpik1 · 08-08-2007, 12:39 AM

How do you feel about these statements in relation to heavy metal and hard rock?

In Vancouver, during a 30 minute Beatles performance, 100 people were stomped upon, gouged and assaulted. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart)

In Melbourne, nearly 1000 were injured at a rock concert. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart) “Our music is capable of causing emotional instability, disorganized behavior, rebellion and even revolution.” (Beatles, 1960)

Here is what a person who attended a rock concert said, “After an hour or so, even I felt drugged. But 20,000 people, most of them high on marijuana, if nothing stronger, were rocking the whole building, swaying, standing on their seats, arms around each other…the crowd seemed hypnotized in thrall. It was part of a mass frenzy.” (Readers Digest, July 1973, pg 173)

A popular rock singer said this about their music. “Rock’n roll has always been sexual. Rock’n roll has always been violent. It has teeth. It will scratch your face off. That’s why I like it…..if you like having your brains blown out and pushed up against a wall, then its for you.” (Entertainment Tonight, January 9, 1982)

In Rock From the Beginning, a 1969 book by Nik Cohn, Mick Jagger, lead singer for the Rolling Stones, described the heavy emphasis on rhythm in his group’s music, saying, “It was nothing but beat, smashed and crunched and hammered like some amazing stampede. The words were lost and the song was lost. You were only left with the chaos, beautiful anarchy. You drowned in noise. The sound destroyed you, raped you regardless, and you had no defense left.”

**sleepy jack** · 08-08-2007, 12:43 AM

the Beatles and the Rolling Stones heavy metal lol.

Anyway, rock music still doesn't have shit on the holocaust, crusades, or the KKK.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN · 08-08-2007, 01:07 AM

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In Vancouver, during a 30 minute Beatles performance, 100 people were stomped upon, gouged and assaulted. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart)

Link a source or I call bull****.

**sleepy jack** · 08-08-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jshpik1

A popular rock singer said this about their music. “Rock’n roll has always been sexual. Rock’n roll has always been violent. It has teeth. It will scratch your face off. That’s why I like it…..if you like having your brains blown out and pushed up against a wall, then its for you.” (Entertainment Tonight, January 9, 1982)

I'd also like to know who said this, all I could find on it was it was said by a member of a group that has been called "America’s foremost sex-and-violence band", I couldn't find out who they were though. Which says alot

jshpik1 · 08-08-2007, 05:47 AM

Can't provide a link because it was from a book. But the point of the post was not to question the sources, it was to generate discussion on whether or not you believe this to be true.

**right-track** · 08-08-2007, 11:05 AM

Violent people cause violence and people are naturally violent, given the right circumstances.

Fuck all to do with heavy metal.

**Urban Hatemonger** · 08-08-2007, 11:07 AM

If this is true then why are the most violent people i've ever met chavs who listen to drum & bass?

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 · 08-08-2007, 11:38 AM

Heavy Metal doesn't cause violence. It causes suicide. RAP causes violence.

It's just as bland a statement as the whole "Video Games being the cause of violence" argument. People have free will. These things may influence them in some way, but in the end, they make the choice to do what right or wrong.

So instead of dealing with the "reasons" for violence, deal with the people that commit it.

jgd85 · 08-08-2007, 01:17 PM

this relates to a quote from high fidelity in a way "did i listen to pop music because i was miserable, or was i miserable because i listened to pop music". what came first the chicken or the egg? is it the people who find that music appealing that are the problem, or the music turns people into violent people.

anyways from what your post said it has nothing to do with hard rock. moreso you wanted to talk about people getting hurt at concerts. you should have mentioned when pearl jam performed at that festival in the 90s and a couple people were killed from the crowd being out of control/mobbing. when i saw rage at coachella i was with my girlfriend so i couldn't get to close (didn't want her to get hurt) but we saw some people come from the way up front that where completely ****ed up, blood was covering their faces and backs... kind of disturbing honestly.

**boo boo** · 08-08-2007, 02:13 PM

This is an awesome video of Frank Zappas guest appearance on Crossfire in 86, debating music censorship. I think it's relevant. Enjoy.

Youtube - Frank Zappa on Crossfire

EDIT: Take note of the conservative douchebag blaming rock music for incest.

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08-08-2007, 12:39 AM
jshpik1 Groupie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 15	Heavy Metal Causes Violence How do you feel about these statements in relation to heavy metal and hard rock? In Vancouver, during a 30 minute Beatles performance, 100 people were stomped upon, gouged and assaulted. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart) In Melbourne, nearly 1000 were injured at a rock concert. (Satan’s Music Exposed, L. Hart) “Our music is capable of causing emotional instability, disorganized behavior, rebellion and even revolution.” (Beatles, 1960) Here is what a person who attended a rock concert said, “After an hour or so, even I felt drugged. But 20,000 people, most of them high on marijuana, if nothing stronger, were rocking the whole building, swaying, standing on their seats, arms around each other…the crowd seemed hypnotized in thrall. It was part of a mass frenzy.” (Readers Digest, July 1973, pg 173) A popular rock singer said this about their music. “Rock’n roll has always been sexual. Rock’n roll has always been violent. It has teeth. It will scratch your face off. That’s why I like it…..if you like having your brains blown out and pushed up against a wall, then its for you.” (Entertainment Tonight, January 9, 1982) In Rock From the Beginning, a 1969 book by Nik Cohn, Mick Jagger, lead singer for the Rolling Stones, described the heavy emphasis on rhythm in his group’s music, saying, “It was nothing but beat, smashed and crunched and hammered like some amazing stampede. The words were lost and the song was lost. You were only left with the chaos, beautiful anarchy. You drowned in noise. The sound destroyed you, raped you regardless, and you had no defense left.” __________________ Metalhead

08-08-2007, 12:43 AM
sleepy jack Bone Machine Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Jesusland Posts: 17,381	the Beatles and the Rolling Stones heavy metal lol. Anyway, rock music still doesn't have shit on the holocaust, crusades, or the KKK. __________________ You're so evil and I'm so good, I'll make it up to you someday.

08-08-2007, 05:47 AM
jshpik1 Groupie Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 15	Can't provide a link because it was from a book. But the point of the post was not to question the sources, it was to generate discussion on whether or not you believe this to be true. __________________ Metalhead

08-08-2007, 11:05 AM
right-track Avin' It! Join Date: May 2005 Location: THE PEOPLES ЯEPUBLIK ФF MAИCUИIA Posts: 5,291	Violent people cause violence and people are naturally violent, given the right circumstances. Fuck all to do with heavy metal. __________________ Choose Liverpool. Choose the dole queue. Choose to scam disability benefit. Choose mind-numbing, grinding efficiency over flair. Choose Torben Piechnik, Istvan Kozma and Paul Stewart. Choose not to win a single league title since the backpass rule was implemented. Choose penalties. Choose car stereos, hubcaps and stanley knives. Choose to trade on your proud sense of tradition and then not lift a finger in protest when two American billionaires who don't even know the name of your club decide to buy it. Choose to win the European Cup whilst only having to play seven matches. Choose to bask in a perpetual, sickening, media love-in. Choose celebrities who ** off out of your city as soon as they have earned the money to do so and then spend the rest of their lives harping on about how wonderful it is. Choose to sing about Munich until confronted with your own tragedy. Choose to end it all in an orgy of self pity, just another excuse to perpetuate the grief culture spawned by your selfish, insular **ed-up excuse for a city. Choose your future. Choose Scouse.

08-08-2007, 11:38 AM
Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 #1 Schuldinist. Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 343	Heavy Metal doesn't cause violence. It causes suicide. RAP causes violence. It's just as bland a statement as the whole "Video Games being the cause of violence" argument. People have free will. These things may influence them in some way, but in the end, they make the choice to do what right or wrong. So instead of dealing with the "reasons" for violence, deal with the people that commit it. __________________ When the day of Judgment comes, no value for human life or blind visions of peace will save you. Your strength or lack of will determine your right to live.

08-08-2007, 01:17 PM
jgd85 turn on tune in drop out Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: the mountain called monkey Posts: 668	this relates to a quote from high fidelity in a way "did i listen to pop music because i was miserable, or was i miserable because i listened to pop music". what came first the chicken or the egg? is it the people who find that music appealing that are the problem, or the music turns people into violent people. anyways from what your post said it has nothing to do with hard rock. moreso you wanted to talk about people getting hurt at concerts. you should have mentioned when pearl jam performed at that festival in the 90s and a couple people were killed from the crowd being out of control/mobbing. when i saw rage at coachella i was with my girlfriend so i couldn't get to close (didn't want her to get hurt) but we saw some people come from the way up front that where completely ****ed up, blood was covering their faces and backs... kind of disturbing honestly. __________________ all you need is love. - john lennon think for yourself and question authority. - timothy leary death makes angels of us all / and gives us wings / where we had shoulders / smooth as raven's claws - jim morrison

08-08-2007, 02:13 PM
boo boo Dr. Prunk Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Where the buffalo roam. Posts: 7,020	This is an awesome video of Frank Zappas guest appearance on Crossfire in 86, debating music censorship. I think it's relevant. Enjoy. Youtube - Frank Zappa on Crossfire EDIT: Take note of the conservative douchebag blaming rock music for incest. __________________ http://www.progarchives.com/ Last edited by boo boo : 08-08-2007 at 02:20 PM.