Mixing Rock/Metal with Classical: should not be done (dance, single)

Rainard Jalen · 02-23-2008, 04:18 PM

Claim: rock and metal music, while perfectly good when combined with folk elements, seem to totally suck in every way at every attempt to combine them with classical music elements. I've never come across it done well on a single occasion. Also, virtually all operatic metal is horrid.

Bottomline: imo, attempting a metal/rock/classical hybrid does not have good results and should not be done.

DISCUSS!

**Urban Hatemonger** · 02-23-2008, 04:18 PM

Why not?

Rainard Jalen · 02-23-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Why not?

That's the strange thing about it, I don't really know why not - can't put a finger on it. I just always find that it sounds extraordinarily odd. And that there's something mildly nauseating and out-of-placey about electric guitar riffs and solos that sound like a page right out of one of Bach's fugues. And heavy-vibrato opera singing over hard rock? Just sounds weird.

**Seltzer** · 02-23-2008, 04:31 PM

It works for Mekong Delta with their album Dances of Death in which they perform Mussorgsky's Night on the Bare Mountain. But then again, they're not the typical 'lolz if i do a bit of shredding it's neo-classical!' band.

It also works very well for bands like King Crimson.

I like Therion too.

Rainard Jalen · 02-23-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

It works for Mekong Delta with their album Dances of Death in which they perform Mussorgsky's Night on the Bare Mountain. But then again, they're not the typical 'lolz if i do a bit of shredding it's neo-classical!' band.

It also works very well for bands like King Crimson.

I like Therion too.

I've never really given Therion a proper go. What's their best record?

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they're not the typical 'lolz if i do a bit of shredding it's neo-classical!' band.

Coming to think of it, I guess that pretty much nails down most of the problem.

**jackhammer** · 02-23-2008, 05:55 PM

How many times has this actually come across though?

Far Beyond Driven · 02-23-2008, 08:10 PM

You'll see your wrong when you listen to Classico by Tenacious D

Comus · 02-24-2008, 04:11 AM

Nothing works as well imho.

Muzak · 02-24-2008, 11:26 AM

considering that a large portion of metal is strongly classical influenced and most, if not all, shredding solos are classical based, I think you are wrong.

Rainard Jalen · 02-24-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzak

considering that a large portion of metal is strongly classical influenced and most, if not all, shredding solos are classical based, I think you are wrong.

Explain yourself. There's got to be a large difference between something that is supposed to sound like Bach on speed, and something that is supposed to rock out but MIGHT have some classical influence.

I'm talking about this neo-classical stuff.

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02-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,664	Mixing Rock/Metal with Classical: should not be done Claim: rock and metal music, while perfectly good when combined with folk elements, seem to totally suck in every way at every attempt to combine them with classical music elements. I've never come across it done well on a single occasion. Also, virtually all operatic metal is horrid. Bottomline: imo, attempting a metal/rock/classical hybrid does not have good results and should not be done. DISCUSS!

02-23-2008, 04:18 PM
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02-23-2008, 04:31 PM
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02-23-2008, 08:10 PM
Far Beyond Driven Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 246	You'll see your wrong when you listen to Classico by Tenacious D

02-24-2008, 04:11 AM
Comus I'm better than you Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 462	Nothing works as well imho. __________________ You dangling swinging Hanging, spinning, aftermath Your soft white flesh turns past me slaked with blood Your evil eyes more damning than a demon's curse Your lovely body soon caked with mud As I carry you to your grave my arms your hearse You stand before me defenceless Your stare unchanging silent, cold, intense sears my brain

02-24-2008, 11:26 AM
Muzak Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 987	considering that a large portion of metal is strongly classical influenced and most, if not all, shredding solos are classical based, I think you are wrong.