Am I Really The Only One? (lyrics, alternative, drum, hardcore)

Rainard Jalen · 06-07-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Loser

Rainard said it perfectly. But here is a quote from an interview he did for Rolling Stones back when it came out.

"I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it (smiles). When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily I should have been in that band - or at least in a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard."

The quiet and loud part really fits into Teen Spirit because that's what they did. Get very hard than quieted it down than got loud again.

One of my favourite examples of the Pixies embodying that idea is Tame off of Doolittle.

Piss Me Off · 06-07-2008, 03:27 AM

Tame is flippin' mighty, it has to be said.

sweet_something · 06-07-2008, 05:14 AM

You're the only one, sorry.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-07-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

I don't think any of them are heavy metal, but whatever you want to call them that is fine.

I can deal with Fudge Tunnel having metal attached to their name.

Helmet....meh I think helmets roots were more in the heavy alternative rock scene than any metal scene. I first saw Helmet live in 1993 and they supported Sonic Youth and Mudhoney. Hardly a metal gig. These days I think they are lumped into the metal scene as their detunned riff-o-rama sounds have been coppied by many (nu) metal bands.

The Melvins are not metal they never have been. If you must use that horrible word (grunge) fine they are heavy grunge but they are not metal.

You need to realise that heavy does not mean metal.

I said they all showed INFLUENCES from Punk / Metal & Noise bands.
I never said they WERE metal bands.

~~Civic Depreciator~~ · 06-07-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

I don't think any of them are heavy metal, but whatever you want to call them that is fine.

I can deal with Fudge Tunnel having metal attached to their name.

Good.

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Helmet....meh I think helmets roots were more in the heavy alternative rock scene than any metal scene.

Hence the alternative metal?

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I first saw Helmet live in 1993 and they supported Sonic Youth and Mudhoney. Hardly a metal gig. These days I think they are lumped into the metal scene as their detunned riff-o-rama sounds have been coppied by many (nu) metal bands.

I don't see how who they went on tour with varies directly with what genre they are.

Helmet has influenced the likes of System of a Down and other current artists.

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The Melvins are not metal they never have been. If you must use that horrible word (grunge) fine they are heavy grunge but they are not metal.

Heavy grunge?

They are grunge, but they are also heavy metal and alternative metal

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You need to realise that heavy does not mean metal.

You talk like there's shame in being labeled metal. If they aren't metal, what are they? Enlighten me.

Piss Me Off · 06-07-2008, 10:18 AM

I'd call the Melvins grunge, which in itself implies a heavy metal influence anyway.

Loser · 06-07-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I'd call the Melvins grunge, which in itself implies a heavy metal influence anyway.

qft.
Melvins are Grunge, and like Piss Me Off said Grunge itself mixes metal into the sound. Bands like TAD are Grunge and carry over a metal type of sound, same principal.

SubPop · 06-07-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Slint

You talk like there's shame in being labeled metal. If they aren't metal, what are they? Enlighten me.

Nah no shame in being metal. I am one of the few people on this forum that is actually old enough to have experienced heavy music in the 80's. In the mid-late 80's I was a huge metalhead. All I listen to was metal.
Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Slayer, Celtic Frost, Bathory, Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth, Exodus, Sepultura were metal.
Come the early 90's and I discovered bands like Helmet and The Melvins. They were very different. Still heavy but with a different attitude, which fit in more with the punk/alternative rock scene. They dressed differently, their lyrics were very different, they didn't care about guitar and drum solos they were much less flamboyant and theatrical.

These days the lines between metal/hardcore/punk/alternative rock are much more blured. I struggle to hear the difference between many so called hardcore bands and death metal. But back then the lines were much more defined. Metal bands were METAL bands, the others were either punk or heavy alternative rock. The term grunge I think was a name invented to cash in on the whole early 90's alternative lifestyle and the punk rock explosion that went with it.

Loser · 06-07-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

The term grunge I think was a name invented to cash in on the whole early 90's alternative lifestyle and the punk rock explosion that went with it.

Actually Mark Arm coined the name while he was still in Green River. The name came about about 2 or 3 years before the explosion....Maybe longer.

~~Civic Depreciator~~ · 06-07-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

Nah no shame in being metal. I am one of the few people on this forum that is actually old enough to have experienced heavy music in the 80's. In the mid-late 80's I was a huge metalhead. All I listen to was metal.
Kreator, Sodom, Destruction, Slayer, Celtic Frost, Bathory, Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth, Exodus, Sepultura were metal.
Come the early 90's and I discovered bands like Helmet and The Melvins. They were very different. Still heavy but with a different attitude, which fit in more with the punk/alternative rock scene. They dressed differently, their lyrics were very different, they didn't care about guitar and drum solos they were much less flamboyant and theatrical.

These days the lines between metal/hardcore/punk/alternative rock are much more blured. I struggle to hear the difference between many so called hardcore bands and death metal. But back then the lines were much more defined. Metal bands were METAL bands, the others were either punk or heavy alternative rock. The term grunge I think was a name invented to cash in on the whole early 90's alternative lifestyle and the punk rock explosion that went with it.

I have to say, that actually was a very well constructed argument, even if it's against mine. But I still hold Melvins and Helmet as metal. 80's metal and 90's metal were just worlds apart.

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Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	I'd call the Melvins grunge, which in itself implies a heavy metal influence anyway. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape