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ProggyMan · 04-23-2008, 09:17 AM

Considering how good their defense has been without two of the best defensive players in the league (Wade and Marion) I'd say no. They've got a lot of good role players right now, once Wade and Marion are back with a top 5 draft pick...

JayJamJah · 04-23-2008, 12:07 PM

If they stay healthy for full a year they might be a playoff team next season. But they have no low post presence and no point guard. Wade can create, but is not able to defend the leagues best points like CP3, D-Williams, Billups, Baron and the like.

And I'm not sure their defense has been all that great. They only won 13 games this year and spent a lot of fourth quarters playing against teams 8th-12th men.

British_pharaoh · 04-23-2008, 12:53 PM

LeBron James 23

that is all

ProggyMan · 04-23-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

If they stay healthy for full a year they might be a playoff team next season. But they have no low post presence and no point guard. Wade can create, but is not able to defend the leagues best points like CP3, D-Williams, Billups, Baron and the like.

And I'm not sure their defense has been all that great. They only won 13 games this year and spent a lot of fourth quarters playing against teams 8th-12th men.

Regardless they've consistently held opposing teams under their average without their two best defensive players. Their defense is solid the whole game, including the first half against the starters. They'll nab someone like Love or Bealey in the draft and that should cover the big man problem. Jason Williams is still solid. I see no problem there. If they had Butler and Odom that'd give them two scorers and an inside presence.

**LesPaul43** · 04-23-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Considering how good their defense has been without two of the best defensive players in the league (Wade and Marion) I'd say no. They've got a lot of good role players right now, once Wade and Marion are back with a top 5 draft pick...

Fuck Marion, he is a selfish ignorant player and I hate him. I feel bad for Wade having to play with him.

ProggyMan · 04-23-2008, 05:52 PM

He is a jackass, but he's extremely talented and incredibly athletic. I'd take Butler and Odom over him any day though.

JayJamJah · 04-23-2008, 10:24 PM

My assessment of the Heat

A team in need of transition. It's time for Riley to leave the sideline for good and find a coach he trusts and Wade will respond positively to.

Off season Goals: The Heat would be best of to land Rose the pg from Memphis. That would allow Wade to play off the ball a little more and expand his mid range post game a la Bird and Jordan in the later stages of their careers. Wade is breaking down fast as an athlete. He needs to change his style of play slightly to have a long career.

If they don't get Rose they need to decide if Marcus Banks is the answer at the point. He looked good in the second half of the season with Miami. Jason Williams is now at the stage of his career where he needs to be a back-up. He can't make it through an entire season healthy and even when he is he rarely tops 30 minutes. Plus his defense is a liability against starting point guards with quickness. He's a free agent I think so they will likely have to let him go as it's unlikely he'll take a pay cut and a demotion to be on a lottery team.

Clear cap room; Ricky Davis has to go. Can't resign him; He has never been part of a team that has won a playoff series and that's not a coincidence. The removal of Davis, potentially Williams and Alonzo Morning will give Miami a chance to sign a quality second tier free agent.

Hang onto Haslem. He is very underrated nationally. Excellent role player shoots it well from the field and the line and brings toughness to the front line.

Find a Post scorer; this might mean letting Marion walk to pursue someone like Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal if their teams don't pick up their options.

Continue to progress the youngsters; Cook, Wright and Quinn reserve players and won't hurt you as a fourth or fifth option starter. They need to add depth to the front court through free agency and the second round of the draft.

**LesPaul43** · 04-23-2008, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayJamJah

My assessment of the Heat

A team in need of transition. It's time for Riley to leave the sideline for good and find a coach he trusts and Wade will respond positively to.

Off season Goals: The Heat would be best of to land Rose the pg from Memphis. That would allow Wade to play off the ball a little more and expand his mid range post game a la Bird and Jordan in the later stages of their careers. Wade is breaking down fast as an athlete. He needs to change his style of play slightly to have a long career.

If they don't get Rose they need to decide if Marcus Banks is the answer at the point. He looked good in the second half of the season with Miami. Jason Williams is now at the stage of his career where he needs to be a back-up. He can't make it through an entire season healthy and even when he is he rarely tops 30 minutes. Plus his defense is a liability against starting point guards with quickness. He's a free agent I think so they will likely have to let him go as it's unlikely he'll take a pay cut and a demotion to be on a lottery team.

Clear cap room; Ricky Davis has to go. Can't resign him; He has never been part of a team that has won a playoff series and that's not a coincidence. The removal of Davis, potentially Williams and Alonzo Morning will give Miami a chance to sign a quality second tier free agent.

Hang onto Haslem. He is very underrated nationally. Excellent role player shoots it well from the field and the line and brings toughness to the front line.

Find a Post scorer; this might mean letting Marion walk to pursue someone like Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal if their teams don't pick up their options.

Continue to progress the youngsters; Cook, Wright and Quinn reserve players and won't hurt you as a fourth or fifth option starter. They need to add depth to the front court through free agency and the second round of the draft.

He would be an amazing fit with the Heat. I would love to see that.

bsmix · 04-24-2008, 12:31 AM

wow yeah that does sound like alot tho... but it also sounds alot like the wiz big 3 (dump, but i love LO). btw all my picks ahead 2 - 0 except for the overconfident pistons hahaha

**LesPaul43** · 04-24-2008, 10:22 PM

Raps came out big tonight =)

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04-23-2008, 09:17 AM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,429	Considering how good their defense has been without two of the best defensive players in the league (Wade and Marion) I'd say no. They've got a lot of good role players right now, once Wade and Marion are back with a top 5 draft pick... __________________ Shut the fuck up and recognize what you holding ain't really broken. -Ian Bavitz If Noah had the benefit of hindsight on his ship he coulda' snatched two unicorns and left behind the mother fuckin' pigs. -Ian Bavitz I <3: Crowquill is cool. Sorta. I hate the Fall Of Troy. And Joy Division. And West Side Story.

04-23-2008, 12:07 PM
JayJamJah Revisonists History Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The end of the Earth Posts: 804	If they stay healthy for full a year they might be a playoff team next season. But they have no low post presence and no point guard. Wade can create, but is not able to defend the leagues best points like CP3, D-Williams, Billups, Baron and the like. And I'm not sure their defense has been all that great. They only won 13 games this year and spent a lot of fourth quarters playing against teams 8th-12th men.

04-23-2008, 12:53 PM
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04-23-2008, 05:52 PM
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,429	He is a jackass, but he's extremely talented and incredibly athletic. I'd take Butler and Odom over him any day though. __________________ Shut the fuck up and recognize what you holding ain't really broken. -Ian Bavitz If Noah had the benefit of hindsight on his ship he coulda' snatched two unicorns and left behind the mother fuckin' pigs. -Ian Bavitz I <3: Crowquill is cool. Sorta. I hate the Fall Of Troy. And Joy Division. And West Side Story.

04-23-2008, 10:24 PM
JayJamJah Revisonists History Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The end of the Earth Posts: 804	My assessment of the Heat A team in need of transition. It's time for Riley to leave the sideline for good and find a coach he trusts and Wade will respond positively to. Off season Goals: The Heat would be best of to land Rose the pg from Memphis. That would allow Wade to play off the ball a little more and expand his mid range post game a la Bird and Jordan in the later stages of their careers. Wade is breaking down fast as an athlete. He needs to change his style of play slightly to have a long career. If they don't get Rose they need to decide if Marcus Banks is the answer at the point. He looked good in the second half of the season with Miami. Jason Williams is now at the stage of his career where he needs to be a back-up. He can't make it through an entire season healthy and even when he is he rarely tops 30 minutes. Plus his defense is a liability against starting point guards with quickness. He's a free agent I think so they will likely have to let him go as it's unlikely he'll take a pay cut and a demotion to be on a lottery team. Clear cap room; Ricky Davis has to go. Can't resign him; He has never been part of a team that has won a playoff series and that's not a coincidence. The removal of Davis, potentially Williams and Alonzo Morning will give Miami a chance to sign a quality second tier free agent. Hang onto Haslem. He is very underrated nationally. Excellent role player shoots it well from the field and the line and brings toughness to the front line. Find a Post scorer; this might mean letting Marion walk to pursue someone like Elton Brand or Jermaine O'Neal if their teams don't pick up their options. Continue to progress the youngsters; Cook, Wright and Quinn reserve players and won't hurt you as a fourth or fifth option starter. They need to add depth to the front court through free agency and the second round of the draft.

04-24-2008, 12:31 AM
bsmix Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California Posts: 132	wow yeah that does sound like alot tho... but it also sounds alot like the wiz big 3 (dump, but i love LO). btw all my picks ahead 2 - 0 except for the overconfident pistons hahaha __________________ a music nazi....is still a nazi

04-24-2008, 10:22 PM
LesPaul43 Bring da Ruckus Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: British Columbia Posts: 3,874	Raps came out big tonight =) __________________ I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies and hypotheses can't define how I be droppin these mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits Tremendous. When Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold