NHL Thread (talent, history, youtube)

[LesPaul43]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

How can you penalize someone for shooting the puck over the boards in their own end? How can you penalize a goalie for handling the puck outside of some stupid little trapezoid? How can you penalize someone for touching another player's waist with their stick but not holding them up at all?

It's just ****ing stupid. You can turn around and wave your ass around in the goalie's face all you want, you can even skate into him at full speed and jam the puck in from underneath his pads and not be penalized, but facing him and waving your stick around is a huge deal? Give me a break. You can't pick and choose like that. "Oh, ****ing with the goalie like this is wrong, but ****ing with him like that is okay." It just further illustrates how inconsistent and nonsensical the "new" NHL's rules are.

Uhmm, people used to dump the puck over the glass to stop play and get a change..thats why that is out. The goalie's restricted area is for the fans, it keeps the game at a faster pace. You can't get your stick up above someone's waste because how is a reff to know right away whether you're slightly holding them back or not. Why doesnt a defensive player need to put his stick up on someone's waste anyways..doesn't do anything positive. And yea you can put your ass in a goalie's face because you are in a direct play with the puck looking for a deflection. Sean Avery had not a clue what was happening behind him, he was being a nuisance and thats all. And you know that you can't just run over a goalie because thats goalie interference. As for jamming a puck in..1. I dont see how thats all at all relevant, 2. Of course you can do that because the puck is in play until the goalie has covered it and the whistle is blown.

[Far Beyond Driven]

Yeah Wayfarer ya dumb bitch(no offense)

[Wayfarer]

people used to dump the puck over the glass to stop play and get a change..thats why that is out.

Yes, but it's impossible to tell whether or not it's an accident, and even when it's done on purpose, how is it any different from icing the puck? What they should do is create a rule stating that, if a player dumps the puck over the glass in his team's own end, they can't change lines. Makes a hell of a lot more sense than dealing out penalties.

The goalie's restricted area is for the fans, it keeps the game at a faster pace.

No, it doesn't. What keeps the game at a faster pace is not implementing a bunch of ****ing stupid, nonsensical rules that can cause the game to be brought to a halt over trivial garbage such as the goalie handling the puck in the corner. What delays the game longer, the goalie handling the puck in the corner or the referee stopping play to penalize the goalie for handling the puck in the corner? It doesn't make any sense.

Why doesnt a defensive player need to put his stick up on someone's waste anyways..doesn't do anything positive.

It happens accidentally all the time.

Sean Avery had not a clue what was happening behind him, he was being a nuisance and thats all.

He was screening/distracting the goalie, which is something a lot of players try to do when they stand in front of goalies. I don't see why it matters which way a player is facing.

And you know that you can't just run over a goalie because thats goalie interference.

It happens all the time, but are they cracking down on goalie interference? Of course not. It's those accidental hooks that have no effect on anyone whatsoever that we need to worry about!

Of course you can do that because the puck is in play until the goalie has covered it

"from underneath his pads"

Far too many times this past season have I seen the puck covered by the goaltender, only to have it stuffed into the net from under him. The referees are supposed to blow the whistle when the puck cannot clearly be seen, but how often do they actually do it?

They need to stop attempting to ensure more goal scoring by implementing idiotic rules and ignoring certain rules already in place and start actually giving a **** about making the game fair.

[LesPaul43]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Yes, but it's impossible to tell whether or not it's an accident, and even when it's done on purpose, how is it any different from icing the puck?

You can't change on Icing..and im done arguing with you because you clearly dont know much about the game and I dont wanna argue about sports, I wanna talk about them. You keep your opinions to yourself now, and I'll do the same.

[Wayfarer]

Originally Posted by LesPaul43

You can't change on Icing

FFS. That's the point. They should make it so that you can't change when you clear the puck over the boards, because doing that is no different from icing the puck. That's why it's stupid to give a player a penalty for that. It's the equivalent of penalizing a player for icing the puck.

..and im done arguing with you because you clearly dont know much about the game

Or perhaps it's because you have nothing good to say back? **** off.

[LesPaul43]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

FFS. That's the point. They should make it so that you can't change when you clear the puck over the boards, because doing that is no different from icing the puck. That's why it's stupid to give a player a penalty for that. It's the equivalent of penalizing a player for icing the puck.


Or perhaps it's because you have nothing good to say back? **** off.

Why have you gotta make this a personal attack and no, I just have better things to do than argue on the internet where it will go nowhere. If you havent noticed in my couple years here..I really dont engage in arguments because they're pointless. And as for your idea about flippin the puck over the glass. You must want a really slow game where anytime there is a lot of pressure in the zone, a defensive player can just chip it over the glass and they have to stop and set up for a faceoff.

[Wayfarer]

Originally Posted by LesPaul43

You must want a really slow game where anytime there is a lot of pressure in the zone, a defensive player can just chip it over the glass and they have to stop and set up for a faceoff.

Similarly, now, they can just ice the puck.

And it wouldn't be "really slow". Christ, how long have you even been watching hockey? It wasn't drastically slower back in 1997 than it is now. If anything, it was more enjoyable to watch back then because the game was far more rounded and wasn't essentially all about goal scoring.

[Far Beyond Driven]

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[ProggyMan]

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[Nosmada]

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

Similarly, now, they can just ice the puck.

And it wouldn't be "really slow". Christ, how long have you even been watching hockey? It wasn't drastically slower back in 1997 than it is now. If anything, it was more enjoyable to watch back then because the game was far more rounded and wasn't essentially all about goal scoring.

The game back then, and even father back was a game of clutching and grabbing, and elbows, and everything. Go watch espn classic games, its so amazing the things that people commit, and get away with it, it tottally changes the game slowing it down so much, and limiting the ability for indivduals to show their talent.

the new goalie trapizoid, really opens up the game to be faster, before the dump and chase type of game could be cancelled out by a good puck playing goalie (turco), now teams can succesfully establish a dump and chase, and start a cycle game.

Me personally, i like the new nhl, i think. There are alot of phantom calls, i agree, but now with the new system, there is no more wayne gretzky high sticking doug gilmour, in the clarence cambel finals.