Six Nations (American, irish)

littleknowitall · 02-06-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Is that the same Welsh club side that won the Magners league last season?

Y'know it's funny but you talk to any irish/scots/welsh rugby fan they always go on about how that league is far superior to the English Premiership.

In fact Cardiff Blues finished 2nd last year & Llanelli Scarlets finished 4th.
So the majority of your squad is basically made up from 3 of the top 4 teams from a superior league.

So when I say I wasn't expecting a young England side who have hardly played to get a result against opposition like that how is that disrespecting the Welsh side?

It's amazing how English fans are always being accused of being arrogant because we expect to win everything. And when we do concede that our team isn't as good as it has been in the past and will struggle to get results we STILL get accused of being arrogant.

Ergh, see now last night I stopped this because I knew it was going to lead to us doing this and I'm going to keep it stopped. I'm happy to discuss The rest of the six nations as it occurs, I will NOT make this about some Cletic pride Bollocks. I don't think it belongs in sport, I don't think that I should have to put up with the jokes about my nationality, I don't think I should have to get into an arguement with every Englishman I talk to about the Rugby. So, I'm not going to get into a heated debate about this, I believe firmly that the English squad were at no disadvantage. And by the way 13 players from one side does not constitute the best of 3. And I firmly believe that 13 Scarlets would have done an even better job of that match. You can choose to believe that statistically we went into that game a better side and that it was poor misjudgement on your part that won us that game, I'd say otherwise. That is all.

Whilst I'm here, Anyone have any favourites to win?

**Urban Hatemonger** · 02-07-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by littleknowitall

You can choose to believe that statistically we went into that game a better side and that it was poor misjudgement on your part that won us that game, I'd say otherwise. That is all.

Huh?

I thought you won the game because you had a better team , and you did. Of course you had to play well to get the result but I hardly think you were the perennial underdog here.
Before even a ball was kicked I thought Wales would win , because I believe on paper you had the better team.After all it was only 3 years ago you won the grand slam with a youngish team that people were predicting good things for in the world cup.You have to go back to 2003 to when England last won it , and that was with an aging squad.

I don't think England lost to any misjudgement. Saying the England team have a young inexperienced side isn't making excuses , it's stating how things are.
Had I come in this thread full of bravado expecting England to thrash every team in the tournament then maybe I could understand why you feel the way you do.
As it happens I would be surprised if this England side finish the tournament any higher than 4th. We only got to the World Cup finals because we played well in the 2 games we needed to play in , not because we were the best team there & even since then we've lost Robinson & Dallagio , our 2 most influential players.

I can see why you are happy about winning , especially as you've not beaten England at home for so long.
But if I could compare it to something else. Yes I was happy England beat Australia in the ashes a couple of years ago after waiting so long .But it was a weaker Australia and it would have given me much much more pleasure to have beaten the dominating Australian team of the mid 90s instead.

**jackhammer** · 02-24-2008, 06:50 PM

What a stunning win in the Stade De France yesterday. Why the constant inconsistency with the English team though?

**Urban Hatemonger** · 02-24-2008, 06:51 PM

I think it was more to do with the French constantly making errors rather than England being good.

Our defence was awesome however going forward we offered nothing.

**jackhammer** · 02-24-2008, 07:22 PM

We still won though. No matter how bad we are, we capitalised on the errors.

**Urban Hatemonger** · 02-24-2008, 07:26 PM

Well you can only beat whats put in front of you.
It just worries me we had to rely too much on France making errors and Wilkinson converting those errors.
Against a better team making less errors or Wilkinson getting injured I don't see where we're going to get points from.

littleknowitall · 03-22-2008, 11:52 AM

Not to gloat, i mean until the Ireland game I had no real sort of hope of us winning. But as soon as we beat Ireland I thought hang on a sec were not seeming to be ****ing about this year and all of a sudden, bam! there it is. 5 for 5, Fantastic victory over France and we go from triple crown to grand slam.

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02-24-2008, 06:50 PM
jackhammer A Cabled Discount Join Date: May 2007 Location: U.K Posts: 3,950	What a stunning win in the Stade De France yesterday. Why the constant inconsistency with the English team though? __________________ My music collection.cough cough enjoy. Ha Ha charade you are. My dvd collection.

02-24-2008, 06:51 PM
Urban Hatemonger Groovy Hate F*ck Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nuuk , Greenland Posts: 8,985	I think it was more to do with the French constantly making errors rather than England being good. Our defence was awesome however going forward we offered nothing. __________________

02-24-2008, 07:22 PM
jackhammer A Cabled Discount Join Date: May 2007 Location: U.K Posts: 3,950	We still won though. No matter how bad we are, we capitalised on the errors. __________________ My music collection.cough cough enjoy. Ha Ha charade you are. My dvd collection.

02-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Urban Hatemonger Groovy Hate F*ck Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nuuk , Greenland Posts: 8,985	Well you can only beat whats put in front of you. It just worries me we had to rely too much on France making errors and Wilkinson converting those errors. Against a better team making less errors or Wilkinson getting injured I don't see where we're going to get points from. __________________

03-22-2008, 11:52 AM
littleknowitall Last of the Musicologists Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: swansea, wales, uk Posts: 1,463	Not to gloat, i mean until the Ireland game I had no real sort of hope of us winning. But as soon as we beat Ireland I thought hang on a sec were not seeming to be ****ing about this year and all of a sudden, bam! there it is. 5 for 5, Fantastic victory over France and we go from triple crown to grand slam. __________________ My Myspace. My Bands Myspace - Please Show Some Love Here. My Youtube. My Ultimate Guitar.