Changes In The NFL

Bloozcrooz · 01-31-2011, 06:06 PM

So there are several issues I think the commissioner needs to address this offseason. Its getting to the point where its almost not even the same game anymore. From the no celebrations restrictions to the handing out fines for legitamate hits. Even the whats considered a catch and whats not. What are your thoughts, gripes, and idea's for the future of the NFL?

Bloozcrooz · 01-31-2011, 06:29 PM

] Carry on

Bloozcrooz · 02-02-2011, 11:27 PM

Ok im gonna try an kick off this topic, and if its to no avail then whatever. The thread can fade, and be left for whatever the mods choose to do with it. However the subject I want to discuss, and has been briefly touched on in another thread is this. The whats considered a legal hit and whats not. At what point did we start allowing the sport to take on this safety first attitude. Nobody wants to see a guy get a career or season ending injury. But where is the line drawn at? Other than a Q.B. nobody is deserving of any special treatment. Half the fines handed out were undeserving if you ask me, and are only contributing to the detriment of the game. You leave this rule in effect and it starts waying on a players mind, and changing the speed of the game. Thus slowing it down to a tempo thats far less appealing, and exciting to watch. Football is a violent sport, and the players agree. Stop over dictating what you consider is best, and let it be a unanimous vote. These guys know the chances when they suit up for each game. The majority disagree with the rule so shouldnt that count for something? Im all for the technology of developing safer equipment, and things of that nature. But when you start effecting the mental aspect so much as to players are second guessing themselves. Its simply getting out of hand. If its that big of deal lets let the palm palm girls play and just have a lingerie bowl. C'mon man give me a break!! Here is an example of how the game was meant to be played.

djchameleon · 02-05-2011, 08:24 PM

I must say that video is awesome and I totally agree with you. They are trying to water it down/tone it down and for what!? I'm pretty sure they are pissing off the fans as much as the players with the constant flags for stupid plays that shouldn't even be flagged. The tempo of football is already slow as it is and they keep doing things to make it even more slower!!

Bloozcrooz · 02-05-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I must say that video is awesome and I totally agree with you. They are trying to water it down/tone it down and for what!? I'm pretty sure they are pissing off the fans as much as the players with the constant flags for stupid plays that shouldn't even be flagged. The tempo of football is already slow as it is and they keep doing things to make it even more slower!!

hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

djchameleon · 02-05-2011, 08:36 PM

I know you are drunk at the moment but what's the deal with the managers or whatever and why is there going to be a lock out? I haven't been following the news of that too much.

Bloozcrooz · 02-08-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I know you are drunk at the moment but what's the deal with the managers or whatever and why is there going to be a lock out? I haven't been following the news of that too much.

No im sober right at the moment...man when they do touch on the subect its been brief. i think they were kind of waiting on the season to be completley done before real negotiations started. I havent heard anything positive from either side as far as reaching an agreement on anything. Pretty much the deal is neither side..(owners or players) want to lose money. In fact they both very much want to increase their pay and revenue. Problem is they have yet to compromise on either side of the ball on a variety of topics concerning the overall goal. Whether the season is going to consist of 18 games next year or if the players are going to have to take a 18% paycut or if the franchise tag situation should be allowed before any agreement is resolved. A multitude of things are standing in the way from what I can gather that seems to be slowing things to a stand still. I saw Ocho-Cinco ask Goodel at a press conference on behalf of the P.A. his honest thoughts as to what kind of timeline could be expected from the owners standpoint before any ground was gained towards reaching a happy medium. The question was pretty much skated around and answered in the classic "I dont have a clue but im hoping soon" kind of way. I really dont see anyone benifiting from a lockout personally I think both sides are acting in a greedy selfish manner. Its a lose lose situation. Both sides using the threat of no football this year as a means of leverage. When ultimatley everone is going to suffer if thats the case.

~~Dirty~~ · 02-08-2011, 07:28 PM

With the potential lockout, I side with the players. I don't know ALL the issues being discussed, but I do know that the players are the ones putting in the sacrifice and risking their bodies each and every Sunday so their owners can collect big fat paychecks. I've said this all along: The rule changes this year would have never happened if the lockout wasn't looming over the game. Roger Goodell wanted to gain public support and have fans behind him. He has brainwashed fans completely. I see on youtube comments and facebook statuses all the time comments about James Harrison being a dirty player and stuff, but if he made those same hits last year, nobody would be calling him dirty. They'd all be saying "Man, Harrison is such an animal and a beast." I am glad that Harrison has publicly been honest with his thoughts about the NFL targeting him. I think this bargaining is going to go on for a long time and they will reach a deal right before the season starts. There's too much money to be lost on both sides for a deal not to get done.

The thing I hate about the helmet-to-helmet penalty is that it's inevitable and going to happen. I think the penalty should be called based on intent. You can tell when a guy is head hunting and it's dangerous for a WR to be running a post route and get his head knocked off by a safety. Hitting him in the chest is just as effective and less dangerous. But there's a lot of penalties called where the helmets barely touch, or don't at all sometimes. Everything is so fast, helmets are gonna touch and it doesn't mean they are dirty players, it just happens and I hate seeing penalties called because of it.

The biggest thing I want to see change is the rules for the Quarterback. My god, how ridiculous can you get. I was watching this game on TV and literally stood up from my seat and chucked my remote and slung some vulgarities at my TV. This hit is PICTURE PERFECT. It was an interception that the Steelers ran back for a TD and got erased cause it was a penalty.

That is absolutely perfect. Nobody can tell me they don't pick on Harrison, that is exactly what you are taught to do. I also hate how they put in these stricter rules MID SEASON. Lol, that's an obvious signal to me that Goodell was trying to gain support and look like a good guy for this off season labor agreements. I highly doubt any new, shocking info was gathered during the season that they didn't have before the season. Can't do anything to the QBs. Can't hit them below the waist or even graze their helmet with your hand by accident. It's pathetic and I hate it.

I'd also like to see excessive celebration penalties taken away or changed. Nick Collins got flagged in the SUPERBOWL for celebrating when he ran back an interception. Are you kidding me???? It's the biggest game of the entire season and he makes a gigantic play and you expect him to not be pumped up and excited? I understand not wanting guys pulling out cell phones and sharpies and stuff for celebrations, even though it's pretty funny, but cmon and let the guys celebrate. They bust their asses their entire lives to make big plays and then they get penalized for being excited about it.

Bloozcrooz · 02-09-2011, 09:22 AM

Ive read several different colums from several different creditable sources. One issue that keeps arising is the owners wanting the players to give back a billion dollars a year for the next 7 years. The P.A. are in return asking what financial information would you think is relevent? The overall revenue of the NFL is at an all time high. I just cant seem to register the fact that either side is hurting. Especially while the rest of America is in a recession. Their arguing over a multi-billion dollar a year negotioation. I just cant side with either one. I do hope that both can compromise on this subject, and continue the season as planned.
As for the helmet to helmet issue. Im in agreement with Dirty on this. Intentional head shots are pretty obvious, and can be easily monitered. Stop babying a sport of a violent nature. Especially making Harrison your poster boy and singling him out. Just because he openly refuses to accept your girlish style of playing the game. Along with most the league as well. A player thats deffensless as you call it is part of the element that critques the strategy of the game. A receiver left deffensless coming across the middle is a chance most arent willing to take. Which helped to the mystique of the physical unafraid types like the Micheal Irvins or T.O.'s of the modern era. If you open up the feeling of free roam without consequence then whats stopping every former track star turned wanna be receiver from making a living in the middle of the field? It takes away from the game, and robs the Heinz Ward type ball players of their blue collar type reputations in a sense. Because of their willingness to do what most will not.

As far as protecting the Quartback in general I can somewhat sympathize on their behalf. To an extent that is. Some of them take it a little far and barley get breathed on without a flag getting thrown. But in a quarterback driven league you cant have these guys getting inilated every down and Toni Romo'ed out of existance. I think the rules for them should be reevaluated and revised as well. Just dont have our linebackers or D.E.'s or whoever scared to do his job because of a few whiners or to finicky a rule installed, I think if reviewed enough and anaylized a reasonable set of rules can be set in place. Without changing the speed or nature of the games intent. As long as they are properly understood and enforced.

That being said the celebration rule has been on the decline for years. Almost has no existance except for the few who throw caution to the wind in terms of letting a fine deter them from their acts of vanity. I find them amusing most the time as long as its efforts have been suffiently warranted. I get tired of seeing them jump up and down after a 5 yard gain when their down 21 points. I mean have a little sense guys. Is it deserving of a flag though?? No!! I know their has to be some limitations but why not just make it a time line after an initial play or score? Like after a T.D. you have so many seconds or minutes for your celebration and after that its unsportsman like. I dont see the problem and find most celebrations extremley comical. If you cant take a little emotion maybe you should do some self evaluating. These guys work and train hard and deserve a little display of their passion when the oppurtunity presents itself from time to time.

Here are some of examples that still crack me up and get under the skin of those we love to ...annoy....

Bloozcrooz · 02-24-2011, 05:19 PM

So the Nfl combine is gearing up for young talents to strut their stuff and raise their draft status. Always fun to see who the star players are going to be and how early they go in the draft. However if an agreement isnt reached between the unions soon. This could be somewhat a waste of time. The earlier the better because the longer they delay the less time teams have a chance to get a feel for one another. Like set their structure in place and learn their playbook and team charisma. Which is even more critical for teams with new coaches and Q.B.'s. I hope if a lockout does happen that fans will unite and lock them out Meaning whenever these greedy players and owners come to an agreement. If its after missing a full season we as fans should refuse to contribute to their cause. No going to games,watching them,buying NFL related gear. Anything that brings their main cause for failing to come to an agreement in the first place down.Which happens to be.."revenue" Its funny that the October 31rst game between the Saints and Steelers on Sunday night football. Had a bigger audience than the world series. That should speak loudly for both sides.

01-31-2011, 06:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bloozcrooz Justifiable Idiocracy Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,244	Changes In The NFL So there are several issues I think the commissioner needs to address this offseason. Its getting to the point where its almost not even the same game anymore. From the no celebrations restrictions to the handing out fines for legitamate hits. Even the whats considered a catch and whats not. What are your thoughts, gripes, and idea's for the future of the NFL?

02-09-2011, 09:22 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bloozcrooz Justifiable Idiocracy Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,244	Ive read several different colums from several different creditable sources. One issue that keeps arising is the owners wanting the players to give back a billion dollars a year for the next 7 years. The P.A. are in return asking what financial information would you think is relevent? The overall revenue of the NFL is at an all time high. I just cant seem to register the fact that either side is hurting. Especially while the rest of America is in a recession. Their arguing over a multi-billion dollar a year negotioation. I just cant side with either one. I do hope that both can compromise on this subject, and continue the season as planned. As for the helmet to helmet issue. Im in agreement with Dirty on this. Intentional head shots are pretty obvious, and can be easily monitered. Stop babying a sport of a violent nature. Especially making Harrison your poster boy and singling him out. Just because he openly refuses to accept your girlish style of playing the game. Along with most the league as well. A player thats deffensless as you call it is part of the element that critques the strategy of the game. A receiver left deffensless coming across the middle is a chance most arent willing to take. Which helped to the mystique of the physical unafraid types like the Micheal Irvins or T.O.'s of the modern era. If you open up the feeling of free roam without consequence then whats stopping every former track star turned wanna be receiver from making a living in the middle of the field? It takes away from the game, and robs the Heinz Ward type ball players of their blue collar type reputations in a sense. Because of their willingness to do what most will not. As far as protecting the Quartback in general I can somewhat sympathize on their behalf. To an extent that is. Some of them take it a little far and barley get breathed on without a flag getting thrown. But in a quarterback driven league you cant have these guys getting inilated every down and Toni Romo'ed out of existance. I think the rules for them should be reevaluated and revised as well. Just dont have our linebackers or D.E.'s or whoever scared to do his job because of a few whiners or to finicky a rule installed, I think if reviewed enough and anaylized a reasonable set of rules can be set in place. Without changing the speed or nature of the games intent. As long as they are properly understood and enforced. That being said the celebration rule has been on the decline for years. Almost has no existance except for the few who throw caution to the wind in terms of letting a fine deter them from their acts of vanity. I find them amusing most the time as long as its efforts have been suffiently warranted. I get tired of seeing them jump up and down after a 5 yard gain when their down 21 points. I mean have a little sense guys. Is it deserving of a flag though?? No!! I know their has to be some limitations but why not just make it a time line after an initial play or score? Like after a T.D. you have so many seconds or minutes for your celebration and after that its unsportsman like. I dont see the problem and find most celebrations extremley comical. If you cant take a little emotion maybe you should do some self evaluating. These guys work and train hard and deserve a little display of their passion when the oppurtunity presents itself from time to time. Here are some of examples that still crack me up and get under the skin of those we love to ...annoy....

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01-31-2011, 06:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bloozcrooz Justifiable Idiocracy Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,244	] Carry on

02-02-2011, 11:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bloozcrooz Justifiable Idiocracy Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 1,244	Ok im gonna try an kick off this topic, and if its to no avail then whatever. The thread can fade, and be left for whatever the mods choose to do with it. However the subject I want to discuss, and has been briefly touched on in another thread is this. The whats considered a legal hit and whats not. At what point did we start allowing the sport to take on this safety first attitude. Nobody wants to see a guy get a career or season ending injury. But where is the line drawn at? Other than a Q.B. nobody is deserving of any special treatment. Half the fines handed out were undeserving if you ask me, and are only contributing to the detriment of the game. You leave this rule in effect and it starts waying on a players mind, and changing the speed of the game. Thus slowing it down to a tempo thats far less appealing, and exciting to watch. Football is a violent sport, and the players agree. Stop over dictating what you consider is best, and let it be a unanimous vote. These guys know the chances when they suit up for each game. The majority disagree with the rule so shouldnt that count for something? Im all for the technology of developing safer equipment, and things of that nature. But when you start effecting the mental aspect so much as to players are second guessing themselves. Its simply getting out of hand. If its that big of deal lets let the palm palm girls play and just have a lingerie bowl. C'mon man give me a break!! Here is an example of how the game was meant to be played.

02-08-2011, 07:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	With the potential lockout, I side with the players. I don't know ALL the issues being discussed, but I do know that the players are the ones putting in the sacrifice and risking their bodies each and every Sunday so their owners can collect big fat paychecks. I've said this all along: The rule changes this year would have never happened if the lockout wasn't looming over the game. Roger Goodell wanted to gain public support and have fans behind him. He has brainwashed fans completely. I see on youtube comments and facebook statuses all the time comments about James Harrison being a dirty player and stuff, but if he made those same hits last year, nobody would be calling him dirty. They'd all be saying "Man, Harrison is such an animal and a beast." I am glad that Harrison has publicly been honest with his thoughts about the NFL targeting him. I think this bargaining is going to go on for a long time and they will reach a deal right before the season starts. There's too much money to be lost on both sides for a deal not to get done. The thing I hate about the helmet-to-helmet penalty is that it's inevitable and going to happen. I think the penalty should be called based on intent. You can tell when a guy is head hunting and it's dangerous for a WR to be running a post route and get his head knocked off by a safety. Hitting him in the chest is just as effective and less dangerous. But there's a lot of penalties called where the helmets barely touch, or don't at all sometimes. Everything is so fast, helmets are gonna touch and it doesn't mean they are dirty players, it just happens and I hate seeing penalties called because of it. The biggest thing I want to see change is the rules for the Quarterback. My god, how ridiculous can you get. I was watching this game on TV and literally stood up from my seat and chucked my remote and slung some vulgarities at my TV. This hit is PICTURE PERFECT. It was an interception that the Steelers ran back for a TD and got erased cause it was a penalty. That is absolutely perfect. Nobody can tell me they don't pick on Harrison, that is exactly what you are taught to do. I also hate how they put in these stricter rules MID SEASON. Lol, that's an obvious signal to me that Goodell was trying to gain support and look like a good guy for this off season labor agreements. I highly doubt any new, shocking info was gathered during the season that they didn't have before the season. Can't do anything to the QBs. Can't hit them below the waist or even graze their helmet with your hand by accident. It's pathetic and I hate it. I'd also like to see excessive celebration penalties taken away or changed. Nick Collins got flagged in the SUPERBOWL for celebrating when he ran back an interception. Are you kidding me???? It's the biggest game of the entire season and he makes a gigantic play and you expect him to not be pumped up and excited? I understand not wanting guys pulling out cell phones and sharpies and stuff for celebrations, even though it's pretty funny, but cmon and let the guys celebrate. They bust their asses their entire lives to make big plays and then they get penalized for being excited about it.