What type of musician is the best? (talented, Hang)

<3_BEAUTIFUL_HELL_FAIRY_<3 · 10-15-2007, 02:05 PM

I think that you need to be a very hard working and atleast somewhat talented......but that's just my personal opinion..... I am trying hard to get my band started but school wortk and chores and the wheather all seems to be getting in the way and i need help cuz its just really stressfull........buttt.........as soon as i get my job.....then i can sort out what days we can pratice and transportation and our drummer his equipment..... and we need another gutiar cuz th eones going to leave and its just very hell like lately........ I think you guys get the point...... Being the vocalist I try my hardest to get this whole thing up and running by myself........

BrokenChains · 10-16-2007, 01:32 PM

I'd say half in half...I like hardworking people...but they also need tallent.

Kevorkian Logic · 10-29-2007, 05:38 PM

talented, talent far exceeds hard work.

**cardboard adolescent** · 10-29-2007, 06:10 PM

i'm a go wit SUPA TALENTED

brennasea · 10-29-2007, 08:36 PM

Music is a lot of interpretation and analysis. There is a craft to the art that requires a lot of work, regardless of talent level, to achieve. I can have the blazing fingers of Victor Wooten but not an ounce of the heart, and a beginner who pours his soul into his music will quickly produce better music than I.

VocalsBass · 10-29-2007, 09:22 PM

I agree, It does take alot of work & dedication if one wants to achieve any kind of living as a musician. But without talent???? (I'm with the 'lazy but supa talented'). You either have it, Or you dont! period. There's an old quote I once heard, "Only a hillbilly would turn work into an art". And I am not hacking on any one else that has a post on this thread. So please dont take me wrong, I am just stating my opinion....Peace.

Exodizer · 10-29-2007, 11:54 PM

In the words of Shakespeare, some people are born great, some people achieve greatness and some people have greatness thrust upon them. While you do occainsionaly meet the guitarist who never practices but is insanely good its much more common (and generally they are better) to meet a guy whos been playing for 6 years and practices 8 hours a day. Stevie Ray Vaughan says that when they started his brother was far more talented, but he practiced way more. His brothers a good guitarist but the Fabulous Thunderbirds compared to Stevie Ray Vaughan is like Keith Richards compared to Jimmy Hendrix. Mozart was born a great composer, but Beethoven on the other hand slowly got better. Beethoven starts with his sonatas and first few symphonies but by the end you have his string quartets and symphonies 5,6,7,9 and his fifth concerto. Hard work overcomes talent any day of the week.

VocalsBass · 10-30-2007, 12:44 AM

Thats a very good piece of info. Exodizer! But I am still with the same opinion I stated before. You are talking about great musicians that were born with a natural talent & gift for music. without the (talent), would've Vaughn, Hendrix, & Beethoven achieved success, by hard work only? explain to me ,if you would. How a musician could achieve such success without any talent. Your last statement 'Hard work overcomes talent any day of the week', Is hard for me to believe. I can understand your point that hard work with a natural talent can bring success as a musician, As I stated at the first of my last post. But without talent? I just dont see it. Still, I can see you have alot of knowledge I find very interesting concerning the classic's. I will add, Keith Richards is certainly not compared to Hendrix at lead guitar. But when it comes to rythm guitar, it doesnt get any better than the natural funk Richards possess's at rythm, as Hendrix did also....Peace Brother. (Great Post)!

Exodizer · 11-01-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

Thats a very good piece of info. Exodizer! But I am still with the same opinion I stated before. You are talking about great musicians that were born with a natural talent & gift for music. without the (talent), would've Vaughn, Hendrix, & Beethoven achieved success, by hard work only? explain to me ,if you would. How a musician could achieve such success without any talent. Your last statement 'Hard work overcomes talent any day of the week', Is hard for me to believe. I can understand your point that hard work with a natural talent can bring success as a musician, As I stated at the first of my last post. But without talent? I just dont see it. Still, I can see you have alot of knowledge I find very interesting concerning the classic's. I will add, Keith Richards is certainly not compared to Hendrix at lead guitar. But when it comes to rythm guitar, it doesnt get any better than the natural funk Richards possess's at rythm, as Hendrix did also....Peace Brother. (Great Post)!

Ugg I wrote the first response to this only to find out my internet went off and I clicked send. Here it goes again. First this was a very respectful response and I thank you for that. I'm not used to it (I'm new here so I don't know about these forums but on a vareity of other forums people are generally *******s). Secondly I didn't mean to insult Keith Richards, and I love the Stones it's just compared to Hendrix he's not the best. Also When I think Funk rhythm I think Eddie Hazel of Funkadelic. Yes Beethoven of course had talent, but when he started he was not even close to Mozart or even Handel or Vivaldi. If he died in his twenties we would know him as an above average romantic composer not Beethoven, and very fortunatly for us he got alot better. He worked his way up to Mozart and some people think beyond (I'm undecided on this one). Stevie's brother bought a guitar long before he did and due to sibling rivalry Stevie started playing. Stevie says his brother picked up the guitar and could play naturally while Stevie wasn't too good when he got his guitar. He practiced and practiced until he was who we know him as, the Texan who revived blues in the eighties. The single greatest thing you can be born with for music is absolute pitch, so it doesn't take you years to delevope it. There are some other things that talent goes along with but if you see a guitarist in the guitar center shredding like Batio, (terrible musician, probaly the fastest guitar player) their story is always the same. I locked myself in a room for a year and practice playing malmsteen (or some such sort) over and over again. Same goes with any intrument (epecially classical piano and jazz drums), so I really think hard work has more to do with it.

VocalsBass · 11-01-2007, 06:43 AM

Thats your opinion and I can respect that. But funk is just not limited to R&B/Soul artist only. It is a feel that one may have, more so, than a word that describes any certain style. The question asked in this thread is, what is most important. Hard work, talent, or both? Hard work means nothing without a natural talent. Example: If someone wants to be a drummer, but just isnt able to keep a beat, are you saying with alot of hard work, he will become the next 'Bonham', 'Peart', 'Tommy Lee', etc.? Ive seen this often before. I would never tell someone they just dont have what it takes, I simply wouldnt hire them. Even still, I think everyone should enjoy playing music, in what ever form they choose. Regardless of talent. And I would be willing to always help them in any way that I could. So....If you believe hard work has more to do with it, that is your right of opinion. But I can not subscribe to that theory....Peace.

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hard working	12	20.34%
talented	15	25.42%
half and half	26	44.07%
lazy but supa talented	6	10.17%
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10-15-2007, 02:05 PM
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10-16-2007, 01:32 PM
BrokenChains Groupie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 16	I'd say half in half...I like hardworking people...but they also need tallent.

10-29-2007, 05:38 PM
Kevorkian Logic Ya Wanna Trip? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 879	talented, talent far exceeds hard work. __________________ She was laughing like crazy at the trouble I'm in Her light eyes were dancing she is insane Schizophrenia is taking me home

10-29-2007, 06:10 PM
cardboard adolescent time isn't on my side Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,309	i'm a go wit SUPA TALENTED __________________ The thread you've all been avoiding My blog The Ocean Will Have Us All

10-29-2007, 08:36 PM
brennasea Groupie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere in the US Midwest Posts: 7	Music is a lot of interpretation and analysis. There is a craft to the art that requires a lot of work, regardless of talent level, to achieve. I can have the blazing fingers of Victor Wooten but not an ounce of the heart, and a beginner who pours his soul into his music will quickly produce better music than I.

10-29-2007, 09:22 PM
VocalsBass Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: S.E. Ohio. Posts: 180	I agree, It does take alot of work & dedication if one wants to achieve any kind of living as a musician. But without talent???? (I'm with the 'lazy but supa talented'). You either have it, Or you dont! period. There's an old quote I once heard, "Only a hillbilly would turn work into an art". And I am not hacking on any one else that has a post on this thread. So please dont take me wrong, I am just stating my opinion....Peace. Last edited by VocalsBass : 10-29-2007 at 09:40 PM.

10-29-2007, 11:54 PM
Exodizer Groupie Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 34	In the words of Shakespeare, some people are born great, some people achieve greatness and some people have greatness thrust upon them. While you do occainsionaly meet the guitarist who never practices but is insanely good its much more common (and generally they are better) to meet a guy whos been playing for 6 years and practices 8 hours a day. Stevie Ray Vaughan says that when they started his brother was far more talented, but he practiced way more. His brothers a good guitarist but the Fabulous Thunderbirds compared to Stevie Ray Vaughan is like Keith Richards compared to Jimmy Hendrix. Mozart was born a great composer, but Beethoven on the other hand slowly got better. Beethoven starts with his sonatas and first few symphonies but by the end you have his string quartets and symphonies 5,6,7,9 and his fifth concerto. Hard work overcomes talent any day of the week.

10-30-2007, 12:44 AM
VocalsBass Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: S.E. Ohio. Posts: 180	Thats a very good piece of info. Exodizer! But I am still with the same opinion I stated before. You are talking about great musicians that were born with a natural talent & gift for music. without the (talent), would've Vaughn, Hendrix, & Beethoven achieved success, by hard work only? explain to me ,if you would. How a musician could achieve such success without any talent. Your last statement 'Hard work overcomes talent any day of the week', Is hard for me to believe. I can understand your point that hard work with a natural talent can bring success as a musician, As I stated at the first of my last post. But without talent? I just dont see it. Still, I can see you have alot of knowledge I find very interesting concerning the classic's. I will add, Keith Richards is certainly not compared to Hendrix at lead guitar. But when it comes to rythm guitar, it doesnt get any better than the natural funk Richards possess's at rythm, as Hendrix did also....Peace Brother. (Great Post)! Last edited by VocalsBass : 10-30-2007 at 02:09 AM.

11-01-2007, 06:43 AM
VocalsBass Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: S.E. Ohio. Posts: 180	Thats your opinion and I can respect that. But funk is just not limited to R&B/Soul artist only. It is a feel that one may have, more so, than a word that describes any certain style. The question asked in this thread is, what is most important. Hard work, talent, or both? Hard work means nothing without a natural talent. Example: If someone wants to be a drummer, but just isnt able to keep a beat, are you saying with alot of hard work, he will become the next 'Bonham', 'Peart', 'Tommy Lee', etc.? Ive seen this often before. I would never tell someone they just dont have what it takes, I simply wouldnt hire them. Even still, I think everyone should enjoy playing music, in what ever form they choose. Regardless of talent. And I would be willing to always help them in any way that I could. So....If you believe hard work has more to do with it, that is your right of opinion. But I can not subscribe to that theory....Peace.