PROGRAMMING / SEQUENCING - are thet really music making? (electronic, drum, bass)

spook · 06-23-2008, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

The emotions I generally associate with Dream Theatre-- mild annoyance, frustration, boredom....

......Wanting to smash their miserable boring heads in.....

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Brian Eno, Robert Fripp, The Mars Volta, thousands of OCremix tracks, etc.

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

**Seltzer** · 06-23-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by spook

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

Or maybe they're just fans who like the music?

I think you'll be hard pressed to claim that King Crimson is emotionless. But that's the typical attack on prog... if a few musicians are a wee bit more experimental and perhaps less restrained with their chops than your typical classic rock musicians, let's assume they're pretentious and dub them as emotionless sterile old men.

**Urban Hatemonger** · 06-23-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by spook

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

Nice to see the Luddites still alive & well.

abaz_88 · 06-23-2008, 08:55 AM

If you are creating something original then yes -
there is a lot of talent in extracting samples also
besides - if someone is using their finger instead of a paintbrush when painting, they are still painting

ProggyMan · 06-25-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spook

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

Lemme guess, '96 is the year music died.

Molecules · 06-25-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by spook

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

oh god

GuitarBizarre · 06-25-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by spook

......Wanting to smash their miserable boring heads in.....

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

I hardly think my musical taste screams sheep or emporers new clothes. Besides that, I have an A level in music and will be working towards a degree in music and popular musics come september, along with my near decade of guitar playing.

So basically what I'm trying to say is: You fail at life now please let go of your idiotic misconceptions and appreciate the sounds made rather than the method of making them.

Roivas · 06-26-2008, 01:18 PM

It doesn't matter to me how the sounds are created.

Musique concrète is one of my favorite forms of music. This experimental "music" goes back to the 40s (Pierre Schaeffer). It's made by manipulating magnetic tape, though this will probably seem more organic than the point-and-click method available to us on a desktop computer. Tape looping was also developed by these old-school composers of electronic music. Obviously, that was the precursor to modern-day sampling.

One of the most famous early Musique concrète composers was featured on Sgt. Pepper's cover. Karlheinz Stockhausen, who died recently. Definitely someone I hope everyone here knows.

Technology can help or hinder, but you can't blame it for our shortcomings.

The 20th century has spawned a strange electro/acoustic musical phenomenon. "Virtual music" is a good term.

As soon as you amplify/mic something or record it, you are physically altering the waveforms produced by the musical source. Samples are a result of the further manipulation of sound sources.

mr dave · 06-26-2008, 03:10 PM

two comments...

1 - anyone who tries to claim there is no skill involved in making electronic music because it's just a matter of pressing buttons has probably never tried to actually make a new sound in a synth beyond the default presets.

2 - SQUAREPUSHER

spook · 07-17-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shannon

How is music made on a computer not real music? ._.... Cos it's "Made" and not "PLAYED" - If I have to explain, you'll never understand

I personally don't have enough money for a drum set or a saxophone or the plethora of instruments I'm able to use while creating music on a computer. ._....Nor do most of us

I only have an electric guitar and a keyboard for real...So learn to play them well, or is that too much like hard work?

I can use every instrument on computers, and it sounds real sop what's the problem?...Unless you can play every instrument you "use", you have no real concept how they should "feel"

It's perfectly playable with real instruments anyway. ...I've NEVER heard a guitar "Played" on computer that sounds even vaguely convincing - that goes for most string instuments played with a pick, they just sound WRONG, even sampled and sequenced "real" instruments fail in this department.

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Bands like Led Zeppelin ARE still around. They're just filled with idiots or wrinkly old men who have nothing to add to the musical world whatsoever except old rehashes of things.

Yeah, but at least they played their instruments, and spurred on literally millons of others to do the same.

While I agree the computer can be an amazing tool, it's still soulless, emotionless and bland when used as an "Instrument", and probably always will be.

Ask any aspiring musician who their influences are, and I'll guarantee 98 - 99 % of them will be REAL musicians,who play REAL instruments, not "programmers" or "assemblers" .

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I hardly think my musical taste screams sheep or emporers new clothes. Besides that, I have an A level in music degee and will be working towards a degree in music and popular musics come september, along with my near decade of guitar playing...I have an honours degree in music, taught music in schools, and have been a professional musician probably longer than you've been alive, playing and recording everything from classical to death metal, on guitar, bass, keyboard and violin so don't try to impress me with qualifications. It don't work!

So basically what I'm trying to say is: You fail at life ....When you have as many friends, a great family, a brilliant and financially stable lifestyle and a few quid in the bank, i.e your life is better than mine, then you'll be entitled to call me a failure - BUT NOT UNTIL THEN!

now please let go of your idiotic misconceptions ..only in your mind and appreciate the sounds made rather than the method of making them.....Strikes me you're very blinkered,

I started this thread, being very tongue in cheek, to get some opinions and lively debate, but it seems you're not capable of making a case without resorting to personal insult of everything and everyone you don't agree with.
GROW UP!

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

Or maybe they're just fans who like the music?

Each to their own

I think you'll be hard pressed to claim that King Crimson is emotionless...Great band! - ELP and Hawkwind also... But that's the typical attack on prog... if a few musicians are a wee bit more experimental and perhaps less restrained with their chops than your typical classic rock musicians,...Nothing wrong with restraint - less is more!..... let's assume they're pretentious and dub them as emotionless sterile old men....

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06-23-2008, 08:55 AM
abaz_88 Groupie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1	If you are creating something original then yes - there is a lot of talent in extracting samples also besides - if someone is using their finger instead of a paintbrush when painting, they are still painting

06-26-2008, 01:18 PM
Roivas Groupie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Radiomute Posts: 13	It doesn't matter to me how the sounds are created. Musique concrète is one of my favorite forms of music. This experimental "music" goes back to the 40s (Pierre Schaeffer). It's made by manipulating magnetic tape, though this will probably seem more organic than the point-and-click method available to us on a desktop computer. Tape looping was also developed by these old-school composers of electronic music. Obviously, that was the precursor to modern-day sampling. One of the most famous early Musique concrète composers was featured on Sgt. Pepper's cover. Karlheinz Stockhausen, who died recently. Definitely someone I hope everyone here knows. Technology can help or hinder, but you can't blame it for our shortcomings. The 20th century has spawned a strange electro/acoustic musical phenomenon. "Virtual music" is a good term. As soon as you amplify/mic something or record it, you are physically altering the waveforms produced by the musical source. Samples are a result of the further manipulation of sound sources. Last edited by Roivas : 06-26-2008 at 01:40 PM.

06-26-2008, 03:10 PM
mr dave Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: everywhere Posts: 535	two comments... 1 - anyone who tries to claim there is no skill involved in making electronic music because it's just a matter of pressing buttons has probably never tried to actually make a new sound in a synth beyond the default presets. 2 - SQUAREPUSHER __________________ i am the universe http://www.myspace.com/wallofpanda