MoonlitSunshine

For me, the distinction is in whether it is an original composition. An electronic artist who creates is a musician, an electronic artist who simply remixes, is not.

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Dr. Rez

I could use that right now very much so!
That made me spit up a little milk. We post in nearly the same threads surely we have to have beefed. I may be thinking of GB, we disagree on nearly everything, mainly his irrational hatred of all things gibson.

ps: I have p90's in my strat. Pretty sacrilegious as well. At least their not Swashbucklers though...jeeze.

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steve0211

this!

Remixers fall into the category of producers as i understand it.

mr dave

P90s in a Strat? WOW hahah though i'm pretty sure it was GB who razzed me for my humbuckers too. They're the default pickups though (I got a deal on a Special HH model as opposed to a classic).

Speaking of irrational hate for Gibsons I'm actually debating offering my Jaguar as a straight trade for a Gibson Sonex Deluxe from like 1981. The body is apparently mdf (medium density fiberboard) around a tonewood core, though Gibson called it 'Resonwood', it's colloquially known as the countertop guitar.

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Dr. Rez

It looks like a melody maker.

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CanwllCorfe

Thirded. I definitely say yes. One thousand times yes.

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In my eyes, any artist who uses electronic implements to create music is a musician. Artists who use instruments, such as guitarists, pianists, bassists, etc., to create music are also musicians. The distinctions only differ when you wish to further describe what kind of music such artists make. Is hip hop any less hip hop-py when using a real symphony/ensemble instead of a traditional beat? In my opinion, it is not.

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mr dave

Here's my beef with that angle. Let's say you're realm is the visual arts. You've dedicated years of your life to learn to paint. Then some kid shows up, snaps a digital photo of a scene you've been working on, spends a few hours in Photoshop running filters over the image and then VOILA! their end result looks like a painting. Is that person an actual artist or just an image manipulator?

That's the thing that seems to be lacking for me. A lot of people arguing that angle seem to put musical instruments on the same level as the computer - it's just a tool the musician uses. Which, on one level is completely true and accurate. On another it's complete wrong. There is no other purpose for a piano, guitar, drums, etc to exist other than to make music. That's why they were invented. The computer, not so much.

I guess that's really my main beef with computer / non computer musicians. If you've never actually learned a musical instrument I can't bring myself to call you an actual musician. The computer is NOT a musical instrument.

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GuitarBizarre

I think your argumen falls down when you consider what something can be made to be. A urinal isn't inherently art, a knife is not inherently a murder weapon, a human being is not inherently a serial killer, and a computer is not inherently a musical instrument.

But its entirely possible for any of those things to be all of those things by virtue of what someone does with them.

Rubato

Fine art photography is very much a part of art and has been used by many artists.



you seem to be using the term artist and musician as if it's an esteemed title to be bestowed only to those that worked on a particular skill set that you value. Whether an artist has any worth to you or anyone else is irrelevant, if they're working in visual arts they would be considered an artist, the medium they use to do it won't change that.